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Mount&Blade II: Bannerlord

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işi bilen insanın yaklaşımı farklı olur tabi, ben mesela nasıl diyelim çizim dinamik oluşu, o aksiyonu yaşatması, silah ve kıyafetlerin aslına uygunluğu falan gibi konulara bakıyorum daha çok :)

at konusu için mesela


arap atı, bizim coğrafyada yaygın at cinsi ortalama bir binici ile şöyle bir şey
https://iasbh.tmgrup.com.tr/468173/0/0/0/0/0/0?u=http://i.sabah.com.tr/sb/fotohaber/dunya/gazzede-safkan-arap-ati-etkinligi/16.jpg

bu türkmenistan bölgesi, Ahal Teke,
http://www.kazakistan.kz/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/t%C3%BCrkmen-genci.jpg
http://www.kazakistan.kz/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ahal-teke112.jpg

moğol atını zaten biliyoruz, vespa scooter gibi bir şey :)
http://listverse.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/eagle-hunter111.jpg

daha "avrupai" birileri binince,
http://www.turizmhaberleri.com/img/haber/manset/mogolistan11.jpg

bunun dışında Maveraünnehir, doğu iran taraflarında bir vadi ismi vardı zırlı atlı birimler için uygun güçte hayvanlarda yetiştiriliyormuş...

avrupa soyları için zaten onların çoğu sonra türeyen ırklar olması lazım,

roma ve yunan süvari atları çok iri hayvanlar değiller zaten besleyecek toprakta fazla yok, kelt atları daha ufak ve seri hayvanlar, ilk germnelerin zaten binicilik ile alakaları yok... avarlar ve onlar yıkıldıktan sonra sürülerinden çıkan havanlar ile gelişiyor daha çok

mesela endülüs atı,
http://miriamfrenk.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/WhatsApp-Image-2018-03-08-at-18.15.37.png

ortacağ Carolingian süvarisi için bir canladırması, bu atların avar sürülerinden geldiği söyleniyor
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8-VJA7Jf-KE/U7IrqyM8zQI/AAAAAAAADPg/OtXcJcpcGu4/s1600/IMGP1226a-weichgez.jpg


Types of war horses
See also: Destrier, Rouncey, and Courser (horse)

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This 13th-century manuscript shows an approximate height of the medieval horse at the time, note the knights' legs extending well below the horses' barrels.
This 13th-century manuscript shows an approximate height of the medieval horse at the time, note the knights' legs extending well below the horses' barrels.
The most well-known horse of the medieval era of Europe is the destrier, known for carrying knights into war. However, most knights and mounted men-at-arms rode smaller horses known as coursers and rounceys. (A common generic name for medieval war horses was charger, which was interchangeable with the other terms). In Spain, the jennet was used as a light cavalry horse.[38]

Stallions were often used as war horses in Europe due to their natural aggression and hot-blooded tendencies. A 13th-century work describes destriers "biting and kicking" on the battlefield,[39] and, in the heat of battle, war horses were often seen fighting each other.[40] However, the use of mares by European warriors cannot be discounted from literary references.[41] Mares were the preferred war horse of the Moors, Islamic invaders who attacked various European nations from AD 700 through the 15th century.[10] They also were preferred by the Mongols.[42]

War horses were more expensive than normal riding horses, and destriers the most prized, but figures vary greatly from source to source. Destriers are given a values ranging from seven times the price of an ordinary horse[3] to 700 times.[1] The Bohemian king Wenzel II rode a horse "valued at one thousand marks" in 1298.[6] At the other extreme, a 1265 French ordinance ruled that a squire could not spend more than twenty marks on a rouncey.[20] Knights were expected to have at least one war horse (as well as riding horses and packhorses), with some records from the later Middle Ages showing knights bringing twenty-four horses on campaign.[12] Five horses was perhaps the standard.[43]

Size of war horses
There is dispute in medievalist circles over the size of the war horse, with some notable historians claiming a size of 17 to 18 hands (68 to 72 inches, 173 to 183 cm), as large as a modern Shire horse.[44] However, there are practical reasons for this dispute. Analysis of existing horse armour located in the Royal Armouries indicates the equipment was originally worn by horses of 15 to 16 hands (60 to 64 inches, 152 to 163 cm),[45] or about the size and build of a modern field hunter or ordinary riding horse.[15] Research undertaken at the Museum of London, using literary, pictorial and archaeological sources, supports military horses of 14 to 15 hands (56 to 60 inches, 142 to 152 cm), distinguished from a riding horse by its strength and skill, rather than its size.[46] This average does not seem to vary greatly across the medieval period. Horses appear to have been selectively bred for increased size from the 9th and 10th centuries,[47] and by the 11th century the average warhorse was probably 14.2 to 15 hands (58 to 60 inches, 147 to 152 cm), a size verified by studies of Norman horseshoes as well as the depictions of horses on the Bayeux Tapestry.[48] Analysis of horse transports suggests 13th-century destriers were a stocky build, and no more than 15 to 15.2 hands (60 to 62 inches, 152 to 157 cm).[49] Three centuries later, warhorses were not significantly bigger; the Royal Armouries used a 15.2 hands (62 inches, 157 cm) Lithuanian Heavy Draught mare as a model for the statues displaying various 15th- and 16th-century horse armours, as her body shape was an excellent fit.[50]

Ornate 16th-century armour for horse and knight, and typical high saddle. Royal Armoury, Stockholm
Ornate 16th-century armour for horse and knight, and typical high saddle. Royal Armoury, Stockholm
Perhaps one reason for the pervasive belief that the medieval war horse had to be of draught horse type is the assumption, still held by many, that medieval armour was heavy. In fact, even the heaviest tournament armour (for knights) weighed little more than 90 pounds (41 kg), and field (war) armour 40 to 70 pounds (18 to 32 kg); barding, or horse armour, rarely weighed more than 70 pounds (32 kg).[51] Allowing for the weight of the rider and other equipment, horses can carry approximately 30% of their weight; thus such loads could certainly be carried by a heavy riding horse in the 1,200 to 1,300 pounds (540 to 590 kg) range, and a draught horse was not needed.[52]

Although a large horse is not required to carry an armoured knight, it is held by some historians that a large horse was desirable to increase the power of a lance strike.[53] However, practical experiments by re-enactors have suggested that the rider's weight and strength is of more relevance than the size of the mount, and that little of the horse's weight is translated to the lance.[54]

Further evidence for a 14-16 hand (56 to 64 inches (140 to 160 cm)) war horse is that it was a matter of pride to a knight to be able to vault onto his horse in full armour, without touching the stirrup. This arose not from vanity, but necessity: if unhorsed during battle, a knight would remain vulnerable if unable to mount by himself. In reality, of course, a wounded or weary knight might find it difficult, and rely on a vigilant squire to assist him. Incidentally, a knight's armour served in his favour in any fall. With his long hair twisted on his head to form a springy padding under his padded-linen hood, and his helm placed on top, he had head protection not dissimilar to a modern bicycle or equestrian helmet.[55]



savaş atı olarak kullanılan boyutlar için
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Destrier

daha iri olanları -arka sayfada olan gibi- yük ve çeki atı olarak kullanılan şeyler

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sanssizsansli said:

in before mesleğim bu benim benden iyi bilemezsiniz anatomiyi baiti. gerçi tam anlamıyla baitte değil bir bakıma at farklılığına dair yazı. sonraki fotoyu görünce anladım zaten atın fazla ufak olduğunu dfdfgh
sen atları bilmiyon kodumun xunnu daha tatlı bait olurdu aslında gülerdik.


yok daha ziyade her at kullanılır savaşta. "Savaş atı küçük atlardan seçilir" gibi bir durum yok. Hem öyle bir lüks yok hem cografyaya göre degisiyor atlar.

Ha anatomik olarak hemen dikkatini çekmiyo çünkü iyi render ve ısık çok iyi kapatıyo hatayı. Cuce göstermişti bana zaten.

Bu forumda 5 sayfa savunuldu ready player one afisi.

Hatırlayalım.

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/36/590x/secondary/ready-player-one-poster-1157633.jpg

Hani herkes herşeyi o kadar iyi biliyor ki artık anlayamıyorsun bait mi harbiden bi çinko eksikliği mi var.
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Dogru abi çok zor at. Tüyleri çok kısa oldugu için formu çok net ve hata yaptıgın zaman bagırıyo yani zor. El çizmek gibi iyi anlamıyosan formu en küçük hata bozuyor. Hani kolda kusuru farketmezsin ama evrim sürecimiz yüzünden yüzdeki en küçük hata direkt batar ya, atta da öyle. Çok ciddi bir ilişkimiz oldugundan olabilir aynısı atta da var bence.

Bir de en glorious hayvan falan sanırım at, balina ve gergedanlarla birlikte.
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Bak atın adresi Frazetta reis. Diyelim süper at çizdin tamam mı baktın referanstan ögrendin ama aslında hala zerre anlamıyo oluyosun çünkü harbiden anladıgın zaman atı Frazetta gibi at birden böyle asil dümdüz duran canlıdan kompozisyonun en dinamik kısmına falan dönüşüyo.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0894/8394/products/Frazetta-Fine-art-prints-013_fd76b0eb-6a0b-49c9-97f4-7878bea795b9.jpg?v=1506352495

http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_19029/subcat_123184/frontisgirlhorse.jpg

https://my.mixtape.moe/qpakno.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yuEmpoSseI4/V_qSwspYlmI/AAAAAAAA_bE/lUpOOV1d9KgGUjx4HERSrpWgKHYPiZ6KgCLcB/s1600/Image%2B%2528155%2529.jpg

Diger insanların concept artlarına falan bak şu an endüstride zerre taşak yok hoplayan zıplayan kosan bi at göremezsin bu kalibrede.
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arcane said:

sanssiz da cizmiyor muydu ben mi yanlis hatirliyorum. grafikci diye hatirliyorum. hadi herkes at cizsin gulelim.

xunn en dinamigini sen cizicen bu laflardan sonra. sanki m&b spec veriliyorken adama abi atlarin gotu basi ayri oynasin denmis gibi sdfs.

ben çizmiyorum ya benim grarafikte alanım başka. çizme işi bambaşka bi olay.
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