Diablo 3 - Genel Topic

[tombik_yanak]

parayla item satma sistemi hiç olmamış.

[SenariouS]

aslında o hep vardı d2 zamanında ya... çok iyi hatırlıyorum insanlar karakteri kapatıyorum diyip eşyalarını açık arttırmaya koyup yeni pc parası çıkarırlardı. Ama blizz sevmezdi o işi. Şimdi blizz yapacak işte.

Ama artık serverda altın bi yüzük yere düşünce "abi bizde var iki tane stone of jordan sende yok istersen sen al" veya "abi geçen gün breastplate'in unique düştü tam senin necroya göre al senin olsun" laflarını duymayız gibime geliyor. Sonuç olarak

PARA PARA PARA PARA PARA PARA PARA PARA PARA PARA PARA PARA PARA PARA RAPE

[Seele]

bence kan dökülür.

[GERGE]

Bence para eden itemlar en son zorluk seviyesinde hardcore modda çıkar. en son zorluk seviyesinde hardcore mod kasacağım ben =P

[BabacumMostors]

uuu bu parayla satma işi resmen wow un f2p e döndürme için ilk adımdır eheh

burada sistemi denerler ardından wow f2p

aslında oyun içi gerçek parayla item satmak iyi fikir ya hani adam oradan alacak senişn paran garanti gelecek yok para verdin item gelmedi yok itemı verdin para gelmedi ya da kuralları çiğnedim diye hesabım banlandı korkusu yaşamadan al gülüm ver gülüm

şu olsun mesleğimi "diablo çiftçisi" yapacağım

Semih üniversitesi Çok Kullanıcılı Oyunşlar Çiftçiliği meslek yüksek okulu

FARM101
Çince101
Hukuk101
Bİlişim Hukuku

başlıca dersler

[KingV]

SenariouS said:

aslında o hep vardı d2 zamanında ya... çok iyi hatırlıyorum insanlar karakteri kapatıyorum diyip eşyalarını açık arttırmaya koyup yeni pc parası çıkarırlardı. Ama blizz sevmezdi o işi. Şimdi blizz yapacak işte.
...

dün bunu dile getirdim zaten. şimdi blizz kendi de pay alacak bu pastadan. diablo 2 de yoktu böyle birşey diyen kendini kandırır.

[hacibekirlokumu]

[Asgard]

yerim diablonun pvp sini

[GERGE]

MMO Farming Meslek Yüksek Okulu matrak fikir ama.

Hemen bir program çıkarrtıyorum kendimce. Dönem başı 19 kredi iyidir.

[Innuendo]

bu arada "bi kerecik azcik para alacak blizz o kadarcik" diyen sevgili pitirciklar varmis.

1) ah'a itemi koyarken blizze para veriyorsun. bu para item satilsada satilmasa da bu para gidiyor, refund yok.
2) item satildigi anda blizz gene cut aliyor. item satilmazsa bu para gitmiyor tabi.
3) hesabindaki parayi cash out yaparken tekrar blizz para aliyor.

ortada bi kerecik para alacak blizz o kadar durumu yok.

[Gangren]

Cash-out Blizzard değil de, 3rd party tarafından alınacak sanırım.

[Aluriel]

eski tarz trade oalyı bitti mi şimdi nedir?

[Asgard]

ya bi kere atın single bitirin dahada uğraşmayın

[Innuendo]

Gangren said:

Cash-out Blizzard değil de, 3rd party tarafından alınacak sanırım.

blizz alacak. buyuk ihtimalle toplamin %'si olur.

[quarantine]

3rd partyden kasıt paypal falan demek istemiş

[hacibekirlokumu]

Yeni Skill Sistemi

said:

I realize there’s a lot of information spread around, I’m hoping to bring some of it to a single post and hopefully get our point across and reassure you that the changes we’re making are for the betterment of character customization options, and ultimately your long-term enjoyment of the game.

So, why did we get rid of skill points?
(Note: this is a supplementary min/max explanation. There are lots of other reasons which have been touched on in the past such as how players approach our game, supporting the idea of builds, observing how players behaved in internal testing, etc. This is just further explanation that I think will resonate with some of you.)

In Diablo III, we really want to improve the combat depth. Part of having combat depth involves having skills that are useful in different situations. In Diablo II players often used a single skill to deal with almost all situations: Blessed Hammer, Frozen Orb and Bone Spirit to name a few. Players invest 20 points into a single skill and use it as much as possible. The only reason a player would swap away from their primary spam skill is due to monster resistances/immunities. If a monster was immune to your primary spam skill, you’d either skip the encounter completely or fall back on a second skill. Neither of these answers provides the player with much combat depth.

To support combat depth, skills need to have different roles. Here is a very simple example:

Magic Missile deals 15 damage to a single enemy
Arcane Orb deals area of effect damage for 10 damage each


With these two skills we’re beginning to develop some combat depth for the player. Use Magic Missile when you’re facing one enemy, use Arcane Orb when you’re facing multiple enemies. But you may also want to use Magic Missile if one enemy is a “high priority target” in a group, and you want it to die quickly. In this simplified example players can still defeat a horde of enemies by casting Magic Missile multiple times, or they could defeat a single large enemy by casting Arcane Orb multiple times, but that wouldn’t be as efficient as a player who uses the right skill for the right situation.

Ok so that basic layout of combat depth out of the way!

With skill point spending your skills get better as you invest points into them. The problem is that this destroys combat depth. If after pumping a bunch of points into Magic Missile it now deals 70 damage to a single enemy, assuming my enemies have any reasonable health, then Magic Missile becomes a better choice than Arcane Orb even in group situations. If after pumping a bunch of points into Arcane Orb it now deals 45 damage, then it deals more damage than Magic Missile to single targets. Now rather than using the right skill for the right situation, I’m using the skill I’ve put all my points into. Skill point spending has eroded away combat depth.

Why did we go from 7 skill choices to 6?
(Note: again, this is a supplementary explanation. We’ve gone over some of the other reasons elsewhere, but this is specifically targeted at those of you here who feel strongly that 7 means there would be more build diversity than 6)

Diablo III emphasizes build customization. We feel that 6 skill choices actually creates more build diversity than 7.

Why? Well for any given set of options, the greatest number of combinations exists when the number of choices you can make is close to half the number of options you have. Some of you may remember a high school math problem like this: There are 12 differently colored marbles in a bag. How many different color combinations can you get by choosing X marbles? Well as it turns out the solution for various values of X are:

1 marble: 12 different color combinations
2 marbles: 66
3 marbles: 220
4 marbles: 495
5 marbles: 792
6 marbles: 924
7 marbles: 792
8 marbles: 495
9 marbles: 220
10 marbles: 66
11 marbles: 12
12 marbles: 1 (there’s only 1 way to choose 12 marbles from the 12 in the bag)


The greatest number of possible combinations happens when you are choosing 6 from a possible 12.

You may be asking what 12 has to do with anything as classes all have over 20 skills available to them...

This is true in theory, but in practice players tend to (and really should) pick up skills to fill different roles so they can be effective. Categories such as single target, area of effect, auto-targeting, debuff, defensive, group buff, escape, crowd control, 2-minute ubers, pet skills, etc. etc. Players generally take at most two (and often one) skill to fill any particular role. For example, the Wizard has Ice Armor, Storm Armor and Energy Armor, but I don’t think anyone is going to take all three (though maybe somebody will take that as a challenge and prove me wrong), most players will choose one Wizard Armor spell (note that this can change dramatically with some rune effects). If we look at each class, depending on how you count, you get anywhere from 8-12 different types of skills. So we err on the high side in our category estimate (12) and that means 6 is a pretty good number to maximize build variety.

It's important to note that we’re not just talking about you and your friend having Wizards with slightly different skills, we’re talking about you and your friend having 6 skills that are different in functionally significant ways.

Closing remark! When we pull math out like this I’m sure somebody will point out that if our only objective was to maximize build combinations we’d have allowed people to also choose 6, 7 or 8 passives rather than just 3. So I’ll counter by saying maximizing build combinations is not our only objective. We also want our system to have aesthetic flavor, to be simple to understand, and to have the passives in particular feel impactful. We have many different goals that we take into account when making any design decision. In the case of active skills, we felt the increase in variety was one of many good reasons to go from 7 to 6.

So how many skill combinations are there now?

Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations. That’s not taking into account skill types for ‘ideal’ builds, but that’s always been a big part of the fun of experimenting (and longevity for Diablo II) - finding a build that shouldn’t work, and making it.

[Bone]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/new-features-diablo-iii/718443

herkesin default Barbarian olarak yazdığı nicki seçmek çok kötü...
ICQ'de bile bi ton Bonecrusher vardı,
mmorpg'lerde hiç Bonecrusher diye alamıyorum zaten.

http://i.imgur.com/qMiJ0.jpg

[LathspeLL]

BoneC diye al?

[Sam]

said:

1 marble: 12 different color combinations
2 marbles: 66
3 marbles: 220
4 marbles: 495
5 marbles: 792
6 marbles: 924
7 marbles: 792
8 marbles: 495
9 marbles: 220
10 marbles: 66
11 marbles: 12
12 marbles: 1 (there’s only 1 way to choose 12 marbles from the 12 in the bag)

http://pichour.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/speed-of-light.jpg

[Seele]

Bone said:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/new-features-diablo-iii/718443

herkesin default Barbarian olarak yazdığı nicki seçmek çok kötü...
ICQ'de bile bi ton Bonecrusher vardı,
mmorpg'lerde hiç Bonecrusher diye alamıyorum zaten.

http://i.imgur.com/qMiJ0.jpg

aga beta misin asdgdfafasdf

[Bone]

Betaya girdim diye keklersin aslında insanları

[Revenant]

BoneC diye alabilirsin belki alan olmamıstır

[senko]

son gelismelere baktim da
oyun cok kotu patliyacak...

[Bone]

İtem leri parayla satmaları beni de rahatsız etti. çok saçma olmuş. Ne anlamı kaldı o zaman item kasmanin

[Luriel]

Eskiden de item satın alabiliodunuz insanlar neden bunu büyütüyor anlamadım en azından düzgün bir sistemle satılması her zaman iyidir. Almak zorunda değilsiniz. Zaten in game rune trade tarzı bişi devam eder isteyen runeunu ya da değerli uniq itemlardan çıkarıp istedigiyle takas eder gene.