War Z

[GreenPeace77]

clan kurmayı oynamayı düşünen yokmu? birde slot alabilmek içinde para gerekiyormuş sanırım kaç kişi den sonra limit doluyo clanda ?

[reampage]

server hop hakkında bişey yokmu yaw

[Mosquito]

Clan kurmak için 750GC veirosun ama sadece 14slotluk. Her karakter ayrı slot kaplıyor şuan. yani max 14 karakter clana girebilir. bunu artırmak içinde GC veriosun gene ama tam rakamını bilmioyrum.

karakter derken acc. 'dan bahsetmiyorum bir acc.'da 5 karakter hakkı var tüm karakterleri kalana sokmak gerektiğine göre nerdeyse 3 acc. un karakterleri 750GC'lik klana girebiliyor.

iğrenç bir clan sistemi !

[GreenPeace77]

ya tamam clan kuralım o parayada sınır ne demek üstüne tekrar para istemek bilemedimki şimdi oyuna para veriyoruz arada itemde alırız ama bu kadarda biraz kaçırmışlar burda tuzluyu..

[BioHazarD]

evet o yönden sıçtılar baya

[Esnaf]

ulan clan kurmak için bide paramı vercez peeh.slotta çok azmış.

bide 200 kişilik olmayacakmı serverlar? şuanki hali ile 40 kişi çok az bence belki 100 ideal.aksiyonda hep aynı şehirlerde oluyor bu yüzden

[SenariouS]

clani parali yapmak cok sacma degilmi

[Red]

gc denilen şey oyun içinde toplanan bişi miydi.değilse tamam da

öyleyse normal yani.her oyunda kurmak için bi gold mold bişi veriliyor

[RRa]

Real para ile clan kurabilisiniz dese adam haklısınız da, öyle değil. Adam size kendi veriyor zaten bu gcleri. Ve duyurmuş. Wipedan sonra daha fazla miktarda dağıtacaklar, hatta survive paket alanlarında olacak.

[SenariouS]

gercek para ile clan kurma olayi sacma...
gercek para ile clanin boyutunu artirmada sacma.
gercek para ile oyunun temel mekaniklerini acma sacma mesela gw2de de bank slotunu aciyordun. Ama onda da gold <-> crystal oldugu icin para harcamadan yapabiliyordun

[moriarty]

gerçek para ile değil ki

[Xaenin]

GC dediği Gerçek Coin.

[SenariouS]

abi girin bakin ana foruma millet nasil agliyor. Gercek para olmasa aglarlarmiydi sence

[GreenPeace77]

"Gold coins" can be found in the game world of The War Z or be bought with real world money (this is the only currency that you can both obtain by playing game or by buying using real world money). A survivor can also gain gold coins when selling Stem cells. Items that are available for Gold Coins are mostly cosmetic items like Hats, character appearance customizations, chem lights, flares, etc.

Currency

[SenariouS]

daha sonra dusmeyecek onun yerine opara dusecek denmedi mi

[BioHazarD]

1 gc düşmüş değil daha 1 haftadır falan oynuyorum gece gündüz. 750 biraz nah düşer oyun içi.

[GreenPeace77]

1 sent bile vericek olmak saçmalık zaten clan için, neyse tepki çoğalırsa vazgeçerler belki 8-)

[BioHazarD]

refund için şöyle bi olay var istiyosanız
http://forums.thewarz.com/showthread.php?67915-Know-your-rights-to-a-refund!(Europeans)

Suspense;1038559 said:

So, after the recent reveal of the clan system which is a mad disappointement, a lot of people seems to want refunds, yet Hammerpoint are being difficult to work with, and some people dont know their rights.

Now, first of all, this only applies to Europeans as i do NOT know specific of american law.

Hammerpoint interactive actually makes it very difficult to know what you purchase when you get War Z.

The European consumer law is very clear on when you can recieve refunds on goods being that physical or digital goods, and Hammerpoint interactive violates several contract points that are mandatory in order to inform the consumer of what he/she purchases.

When you purchase any product, you are automatically covered by the mandatory "Cooling off" period, which is 14 days AFTER you have recieved the product. Now, already on this point, Hammerpoint interactive makes a big mistake, i will get to that in a bit.

The cooling off period wont apply if any of the following statements are true:
you bought the goods more than seven working days ago (14 for financial services), unless you haven’t yet received certain information about your contract
you bought something that isn’t covered by the cooling-off period
if you bought a service which started immediately, unless you haven’t yet received written information about your contract
if you bought from a private individual
.

Specific goods and services which are NOT covered by the cooling period are:
something personalised or made to order. For example, a gift with someone’s name on it. When you buy a car, if you choose options from a menu, such as an MP3 player or cruise control, these are not classed as personalisation. Personalised elements might mean a bespoke paint colour or alloy wheels designed especially for you
something perishable. For example, food or flowers
newspapers or magazines
a CD, DVD or computer software where the security seal has been broken
something bought by bidding through an online auction
something that’s price is dependent on changes in the financial market. For example, central heating oil
a new service that starts immediately. For example, paying for access to a website
accommodation, transport, catering and leisure services to be delivered on a specific date. For example, train tickets, hotel and restaurant bookings, taxis, theatre tickets
gaming, betting or lottery services
timeshare agreements
something where the supplier has informed you before finalising the contract in writing or email that you will not be allowed to cancel once the service has begun.

I have marked in BOLD those which are relevant to The War Z.

Now, normally, the cooling period for the war Z would actually be void. Because we do recieve a "service" instantly. However! The service which we recieve is NOT specified by the product, let me explain what i mean by this.

You guys might recall the purchase page for The War Z, it has changed a few times. Heres the current one



Now, as you can see, it looks just as if you are purchasing any kind of game right? Except, not really. The game is still in alpha(soon to be beta) and Sergey clearly said himself that they are looking TOWARD a foundation release which would mean full release of the game, in his words. This HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. Yet, wheres the pre-purchase notice? Did they forget putting that on there? No, they didnt, they removed it. A straight contradiction of what you actually purchase. It is crucial for a consumer to be aware of whether a product is a pre-purchase, or a release at the time to know his/her rights, its neither mentioned in contract NOR on the current sales page. Heres the sales page during october:



On top of that, the sales page now, does not specify that its a pre-order, it said pre-order during those 15 days in october. Now, there have not been any official statements of a full game release(its still alpha) and theres been no statement of a foundation release. Furthermore, the TOS of The War Z actually hints that we are pre-purchasing the game, the TOS mentions the following:

Section 5, b



Now the first breach of this contract, is the fact that theres actually no way of cancelling your account by "following the instructions on the site" and by EU law, they must specify said URL to this site.

The second breach of contract, is how they assume you agree to it, just like any game company actually. What they do is this:



This is by EU law NOT enough for someone to agree to a terms of service between purchase, installation, and launch. This part is a little different from country to country, but 95% of EU countries are on the same page about this.

A terms of service of this kind is either impractical or impossible to read between purchase and installation, mainly because of terms of service updates, link outages etc. Because of this, a user has to accept a Terms of Service or EULA through a "click" in order to actually AGREE to it. You see all games do this(even The War Z) after installation

When you launch WoW, you agree to it, even after each patch and change, same with The War Z.

The EU law states that an agreement is made under the terms that are apparent, transparent and readily available before or the moment of purchase. Meaning that before or the second after you handed over the money, you would have to be forced to read the ToS og EULA. This is NOT the case with The War Z, you are only forced to accept the ToS after downloading the client AND making use of the "service"(by logging in). This invalidates their "You cannot get a refund if you used the service" as you HAVE to use the service in order to lawfully agree to the TOS.

In order for a company to "deny" refund requests through the cooling period, they must have provided the consumer with a contract which in writing explains the following points:
your right to a cooling off period
how to cancel your order
information about any after-sales service
the geographical address to use for complaints.

Now, The War Z actually fails to cover any of these except the bolded. They even fail to provide any information of after-sale services(renting servers in their contract, GC-points, Clans)

If a company violates the cooling off period by any point, the period for every consumer is extended by a minimum of 3 months. The whole cooling period is based upon recieving the product, which is the full game unless specified otherwise. The War Z salespage and official statements all point in the direction that the current build sold is NOT a release product. Which means for no one here, the cooling period has actually been in effect, this allows anyone to ask for a refund at any given time for any breach of contract mentioned above.

This is ONLY the cooling period breach.

On top of that, you can go as far to actually ask for a refund based on false advertisement by Hammerpoint interactive. I wont go too far into detail on this due to the fact that the above is enough to get a refund, however:

Hammerpoint interactive have both directly, and indirectly made comments that you purchase the game and are not "required" to pay more after this in order to play the game in an MMO fashion, which the title this game as. The made it clear there would be GC points, and an ingame shop. They made it clear you could rent servers with GC points and unlock character slots. All of these are not "required" to be able to play the game in the way it is intended(as an MMO, following general MMO guidelines) they pissed on this with clans. A massive multiplayer online game evolves around the players, the community, the clans and "groups" in which you can play the game with friends. By asking for GC points in order to play with friends, or in order to use a "social" feature within a "MMO" game, they effectively lock our a core part of the genre that they are developing the game on, while having stated that the GC points would be used for "cosmetic" and "Fun and no pay2win" features. This is directly false marketing, and it directly breaches the contract which actually never ever states anything about after purchase services in the first place(such as alpha access).

I hope this clears up a lot of stuff for people here wanting to get a refund, i am not gonna make a TLR version, if someone wants, go ahead. But law is specific, law is important, and without understanding it you will have little chance realising your rights. You are entitled to a refund as a european citizen!

Regards
Suspense

bir de paypal ile ödeyenler dispute edip refund alabiliyolarmış.

[RRa]

millet nie ağlıyor anlamış değilim. 30 kişilik clansan zaten hepsi surviver bile almış olsa, adam wipedan sonra nerden baksan 1.5k filan gc verecek.

45k gc ile 100 slotlu clan kurarsın üstünede paran artar

millette mi bi problem var bende mi bi sıkıntı var, çözemedim

bizde kurduk clan, 2 3 kişi slot arttırdı, oldu bitti, nedir yani

[moriarty]

RRa ya katılıyorum.

[reampage]

abi biz sana gc verioruz ama hop gel bunları klana harca demesi hoş değil meblağ belki ufak olabilir ama mantık yanlış eh madem mecburi harcartıcan bana o parayı neden veriosun ki...

Bir şekilde klan kurmanın zor olması iyi ama daha yaratıcı bir şeçenek gelebilirdi.

birde oyun free to play felanda değil gayet 25 doları bayıldık kendi açımdan bakınca tamam adamlar yeni bişiler yapıo destek olmak iyi felan ama mezarcıda olmasınlar yani

[BioHazarD]

adında her multiplayer geçen oyunda olması gereken bir feature için para istemek oyuncuyu salak yerine koyuyo biraz. ha release olunca verir miyiz veririz o ayrı.

[RRa]

pioner alan var legendery alan var, o paradan mutlaka artan olur, kaldı ki daha betaya bile geçemediler, sizin bu yakındığınız şeylerin bile testi yapılıyor, adam bakarsa ki bu verilen paralar olduğu gibi clan sistemine gidiyor, geriye birşey kalmıyor, o zaman daha fazla verir

[reampage]

Ha bide daha klan sisteminin tam olarak getirisini bilmioruz belki in game hiç bi anlamı olmıcak yada bilmiorum açıklandımı görebilicekmiyiz kendi klanımızdan adamları yada belki başka featurelar vardır.

Eğer dediğin gibi beta phase için bi görelim bakalım klan sistemleri nasıl olcak ilerde bi wipe daha atar veririz milletin parasını şeklinde ise ok zaten bişi denmez ama daha ilk fikri eleştirdik işte bekleyelim görelim.

Şuda var millet klana para harcıcak upgrade edicek memberları sonra clan yetkilisi şutlicak felan gibi

[BioHazarD]

kendi adamlarımızı görebilcez.
ya olay kaç para olduğu değil vericez illaki ilerde. olay adamların bu kadar basit bi özellik için server masrafını bahane ederek para istemesi. git başka bişeyden paranı çıkar yani.

bide şöyle bişey yazmış sergey

Wipe, new packages, new features roadmap, new antihack, Steam version !
Hey hey !

Things were quite busy here at Hammerpoint Interactive and today I just want to go over several topics that everybody keep asking about.

1. Wipe
As we're moving toward Foundation Release ( which most likely will be at same time we'll launch game on Steam ) we'll do a wipe - most likely this weekend. You'll get back all GC you bought as part of the packages, you'll also get some extra free GC as our thank you for being early players. Most likely you'll have all in game characters unlocked for - once again - our present to you guys! We also thinking about giving our some "zombie survival kits" - set of items necessary to start over surviving in a zombie world.

2. New way of buying game. New packages
As we've said before - we want our early adopters to feel special - so we decided that we'll stop selling Survivor, Pioneer packages ( Legend's sales are over for good now, with about 500 or so keys are still available at retail Gamestop locations around USA ). Instead we'll offer number of "unnamed" packages that doesn't offer any recognition ingame, or doesn't unlock any characters from the start, etc. Only difference between packages will be the amount of GC you get.

3. New Antihack
New antihack is coming. I think it'll happen around mid-end of December - new system is relying on analyzing players patterns and reacting upon them. It's pretty complex system running on separate server, and we hope it will let us to replace existing system - that still most of the time ( is wallhack or ESP is used ) rely on humans to ban cheaters - which can take day or two. Once again - we'll become slightly more secure in our never ending fight with hackers.

4. Steam release
Okay this one is simple - game will become available on Steam. We also exploring ways for existing users to link game to their Steam accounts - nothing to report there yet, but we're working on this.


5. GC Sale
Yes you'll be able to buy GC after wipe!


6. New features roadmap.
Okay this one will be more like "wishlist" - it's based on Hammerpoint's internal development plan, but as always something may come up - new hacks, other things that will slow us down. So please take this more like a guidelines, not hard promises:

Foundation Release ( December 2012 )
- Clans
- Friends
- Leaderboards
- Server rentals
- New set of building blocks ( aka barricades and USABLE objects like hydroponics systems )
- Call for help functionality
- Accessing your inventory from Safe Settlement without loging out of the game
- Accessing Store from Safe Settlement without loging out of the game
- .22 cal guns - rifles, pistols
- More cool melee weapons
- Better use of ballistic helmets, armor vests.
- Flare guns ( okay we had it for a while, but just didn't released it to you guys yet )
- Better weight system
- Option to turn on crosshairs in TPS


Still December 2012, but maybe moved to January '13
- "Safe" or "Locker" items - allows you to safely store items anywhere on the map ( think of DayZ's tents, but working properly ). Two types - one with 4-5 digits PIN lock, other with no lock at all
- Map adjustments - even more walkable places - mountains, hills, some tweaks on textures, more enterable buildings, more stuff, new types of trees, etc. Lighting tweaks.
- New characters
- New survival items ( energy tonics to replenish Stamina, meds, etc )
- Tear Gas ( yes this is why you'll want gas masks )
- More civilian weapons

January-February 2013
- 5-6 stronghold maps to be added to the game
- Driveable Vehicles
- Melee fist fights
- Player defined missions !


March 2013
- Better Medic system
- Potentially ( okay POTENTIALLY is a keyword ) - weapons crafting

June - August 2013
- New Map ! One that will be probably 4 times bigger than current Colorado map
- 5-6 more stronghold maps


Have fun and thank you for playing The War Z!!!
Sergey Titov
Executive Producer
The War Z