Retri Paladin Patch 3.1.1a

[Torondor]

devir RMP devri..

[Wispy]

Aa niye Ben devir retlerin devri diye duymuştum.

[Torondor]

az daha sessiz ağlasaydın duyardın

[Aililath]

Ret pala oynayıp hala "arenada yokuz,dmg yapamıyoruz,adam kesemiyoruz" diye ağlayanlara Sezen Aksu'dan geliyor...

Sen ağlama dayanamam
Ağlama retricim sana kıyamam
Al ratingim senin olsun
Ratingin bende kalırsa yaşayamam...

L2P demicem L2FACEROLL!

[Genitalic]

armory açıp bakınız

ben baktım ordan biliyorum.

2k üzerinde rmp olmayan takımların %70'inde bir tane ret paladin mevcut.

sonra rogue,dk,warrior geliyor.

Healer olarak ise druidler dominant teyze konumunda. Gerci bizim druidi öldürüyor adamlar, ne yaparsın, hand of protection eksikliği, resetleyemiyoruz biz druidimizin canını.

[Wispy]

@Torrondor Keşke tek bir argüman koyabilsen ama nerde

[Cons]

titansteel hammer değil titansteel destroyer. bu yüzden paladinler op değil.

[katliamci]

hammerınız resistlendiginde o melul melul 'vurma abi' diye bakısınız, PRICELESS.

[deadwoll]

Paladine heal reduct. effect gelsin ya da disc priestler kendilerini %50 heallesinler. Fenalık geldi bana abanan roguela bir yandan paladini heallemeye kasarken bir yandan da disc pri.ye interrupt + purge tutturmaya çalışmaktan 300mste.

[kitana]

ULAN HALA OYNUYOMUSUNUZ ULAN

[Absolut]

[Genitalic]

deadwoll said:

Paladine heal reduct. effect gelsin ya da disc priestler kendilerini %50 heallesinler. Fenalık geldi bana abanan roguela bir yandan paladini heallemeye kasarken bir yandan da disc pri.ye interrupt + purge tutturmaya çalışmaktan 300mste.

lol paladine heal reduction gelsin

ahahah.

hahahAHahahahAHAHahah.

HAhAHahahahaHAhahahahahaha.

oldu olacak Polatlı il olsun.

[Aililath]

Ben çözümü buldum, Devlere söyleyelim D&D onlinedan araklasınlar Paladin için.

Power Word Kill
Enchantment (Compulsion) [Death, Mind-Affecting]
Level: Sor/Wiz 9, War 9
Components: V
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: One living creature with 100 hp or less
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: Yes

You utter a single word of power that instantly kills one creature of your choice, whether the creature can hear the word or not. Any creature that currently has 101 or more hit points is unaffected by power word kill.

Süper değilmi, 101 hpyide 75% of Hp yapalım, yok vazgeçtim sonra 75%'e indiremioruz diye ağlarlar. 100% olsun.

[axedice]

PW:K o kadar iyi büyü değil aslında. Sırf adı ve düşük lvl yaratıklara karşı etkili olması yüzünden D&Dde ismi var biraz. Yoksa PW:K alan wizardı ben adamdan saymam.

Bide ret o kadar iyi değil pvpde. Benim de ret paladinim var, faceroll olsa ben de rating yapardım ama yapamıyorum. O zaman bahsettiğiniz kadar iyi değil.

[Laurelin]

ret resilience i olmiyan stuni yememeyi bilmiyen bariz oyniyamiyan adamlara karsi cok etkili

beceriksizlerin sesi her zama ndaha yuksek cikiyor ama, oda beceriksiz bende beceriksizim ama o beni neden kolay kesebiliyorken ben onu kesemiyorum olay

high rated arenada filan ret cok gimp, MS, interrupt, silence filan olmiyan bir melee sirf burst yaparak arena kazanilmiyor artik

[InneR_ChaoS]

Viktor said:

burst yaparak arena kazanilmiyor

lol

[Torondor]

viktor çok güzel söylemiş bence... fakat arena biraz burst işi...
resisiz itemsiz elemanalra paladin insana vurur gibi vurmuyo gerçekten.. ama hangi karakter resisi/itemi olmayan karaktere az vuruyor ki?

nerdeen nereye




bide locklara baya yeni skill gelmiş galiba hoş ama bize bi kaç tuş daha lazım misal stun var trinket basamadığınız cooldownı olmayan ve 10sn süren sonraaaa bubble var onada bi tuş lazım.. yok lan düşündümde gerek yok aslında macro ile hepsini tek tuşa bağlarız IWINBUTTON bi tene imbayız zaten of eser geçeriz.. tek tuş bile fazla aslında tuş koymasınlar yanımıza gelen ölsün

[Wispy]

Stun yememeyi bilmek nedir yahu ? Warrior neden reflect etmiyor, shaman neden grounding atmıyor, rogue neden clos açmıyor, hunter neden deterrance basmıyor mu ? Yahu gören de HoJ'u 3 saniye cast time'a sahip spell falan zannedecek.

Burst'le oyun kazanılmıyor demişsin, bayağı güldürdün beni, allah da seni güldürsün Victor.

Burst iz fayn resilience vill fiks it when every1 getz 800+ resi

Oh wait....

[Aililath]

Herkes paladini tekil olarak ele almış, ret 2v2'de kötü bir class değil. 2v2'de ret kötü diye interrupt ve healing reduction istiyorsanız ve blizz bunu yaparsa herkes karakterleri silsin, ret oynasın.

Bunun yanın Ret 3v3'te yanında warrior-dk-rogue varken açıkça OP,heal reduction varken ret'in damage başlı başına bir dert healer için.

Ret oynayanlar, tekil olarak bakmaktan vazgeçin arena 1v1 oynanmıyor.

Rating yapamıyoruz diyorsanız classta bir problem yok sizde var.

Güncelleme: Şu stun yememe işi nedir allah aşkına biri bana anlatsın, sen HoJ'u castmi ediyorsun arkadaşım?

[hozceri]

ben disiplin pri olarak petini cıkarmıs 3 ımage cıkarmıs 2 mage e karsı nasıl dayanırım ?

[Kaede]

Ya ret ikincil spec olmasına rağmen çoooooooooook iyi arenada. Tek sorunu peeling yapamaması ama o kadar da olsun be abi

[Torondor]

mmo-champion.com said:

We have several big changes coming up for the paladin class in patch 3.2. The paladin class Q&A is still in progress, so rather than making you wait, we wanted to give you a preview of what we’re trying to do with all three paladin talent trees. We thought some of the patch notes might not make sense until you understand the design goals.

Caveats: Some of these changes are still in progress and may ultimately end up in a different form or with different numbers. We definitely want to see these changes in action on the PTR and we will iterate on them accordingly based on player testing and feedback. None of this is set in stone. Furthermore, assume that talents, glyphs or set bonuses that affect any impacted abilities will also be changed accordingly. Finally, don’t expect that every class will see this many changes. We are making far fewer changes to class mechanics overall in 3.2, but paladins in particular have some issues we feel are in need of being addressed.

Protection
Currently, we think paladin tanks are almost there and that they just need slightly better cooldowns to handle some of the tougher boss fights. Rather than add a new ability that felt like a clone of another class’s ability, we decided to buff an existing talent that was no longer cutting it. Ardent Defender has two important changes. The first is that the damage can no longer “skip over” the 35% health level – it will always be reduced. Secondly, it has a new effect that if a blow would kill you, it instead sets you to 30% health. This portion of the ability cannot occur more than once every 2 minutes. Think of it as a Last Stand that you don’t have to push.

A second change to Protection is we want to make sure Blessing of Sanctuary is always the tanking blessing of choice. A likely change here is to have it boost stamina as well.

We also recognize that block does not provide the mitigation it once did. While we have long-term plans to change the way block works entirely, in the short term we are doubling the effect of bonus block value on items (so jewelry, but not shields).

Holy
We like that Holy paladins have a niche as single-target healers. The problem is we think this niche is a little too narrow at the moment. Furthermore, paladins don’t have a wide arsenal of healing spells so it’s important that all of them are being used.

First, we are changing Flash of Light so that it places a heal-over-time effect on any target with Sacred Shield on them (the effect will be similar to Sheathe of Light). This should make Flash see a little more use.

Second, and more importantly, we are changing the way Beacon of Light works. Currently, it does not count over-healing on the target. We are changing that. In other words, if you place Holy Light on a rogue who is already at full health, it will still have the full effect on a tank with Beacon of Light on them. This is a huge buff, particularly when you consider the Holy Light glyph which allows for a small amount of “splash” healing. This effect isn’t common when you use Holy Light on a tank because the tank is often standing alone. But if you heal the melee, you are likely to get a lot more total healing from this effect (while still healing the tank through Beacon of Light). We are also going to try to allow a target to have more than one beacon (i.e. from different paladins) on them.

Many players may surmise that this change would make paladins far and away the best healers in the game. This is partially because paladin mana regeneration is so potent. That isn’t an issue when the paladin can generally only heal the tank. With the Beacon of Light change, the paladin can provide a lot more raid or party healing. To adjust for this, we are going to reduce the amount of mana returned by Illumination. If you use Holy Light too recklessly (such as on targets who don’t require that much healing) you do risk burning out of mana too quickly. Of course, they will still have Divine Plea and other mana regeneration mechanics.

As a footnote, we are also likely to slightly adjust Replenishment and buff the amount of MP5 on gear.

These changes should lead to healing as Holy being more dynamic – you are going to be targeting a lot more group members than just the tank, while still providing massive healing on the tank. However, you won’t be able to just constantly spam your biggest heals, at least not on the more challenging encounters. There is an opportunity here for skilled players to really do some outstanding healing as paladins, but it’s going to take a little more effort. This is something a lot of players have been asking for so we hope that it delivers without completely changing what some paladins enjoy about their healing style.

Retribution
Depending on who you ask, Retribution paladins are either perceived as being in need of improvements to make them stronger or are in need of changes to make them less powerful. We are really happy with the overall changes to the Seal and Judgement system from Lich King. However, Ret still has some problems. There aren’t enough buttons to push and they are all limited by cooldowns, allowing Ret paladins to have a lot of up-front burst without requiring a lot of skill or timing to actually hit those buttons (now after the opening moves of a fight, we think things get a lot more interesting because now the paladin’s defenses, healing and dispelling can come into play). We have other problems to fix as well. Exorcism currently can’t be used on players, which we think is a weak design. We have also become less enamored with the drawback to Seal of Blood / Seal of the Martyr causing damage to the paladin.

Here are the design changes we hope will fix all of these problems:

First, Exorcism has a cast time of 1.5 seconds but can be used on players again. This will let paladins use it in PvP, but not while moving towards a target.

Second, we are changing The Art of War to make not only Flash of Light instant, but also Exorcism. Choose healing or damage. Paladins will have to watch for this proc and use Exorcism when it happens. The spell itself is still ranged, but the proc will only occur when the paladin is already in melee.

Third, we are lowering the cooldown and damage of Crusader Strike to four seconds from six seconds. This accomplishes a few things. It lowers burst, it gives the paladins more buttons to push since they aren’t always waiting on cooldowns, it requires a little more skill since the player will have to choose between Crusader Strike and other attacks more often (such as the new Exorcism procs), and it gives Retribution a chance to get more damage out of their Seals (providing a sustained DPS boost for PvE).

Fourth, we are removing Seal of Blood and Seal of the Martyr. The damage recoil increasingly felt like a liability in PvE, and wasn’t serving to offset the massive burst damage capable in PvP. We are buffing Seal of Vengeance / Corruption and redesigning Seal of Command with the expectation that these are now the seals of choice for PvP and PvE. Righteousness can remain a tanking seal.

Finally, we are replacing the current effect of Vindication with an attack power debuff that works like Demoralizing Shout. In PvP, Ret paladins can still debuff melee targets, while in PvE they can provide another necessary debuff in the case that the tank is not a warrior or druid. In addition, the talent may be more attractive to Protection paladins.

These changes do not close the door on adding additional attacks, PvP utility or even the oft-requested Crusader Strike debuff. If the changes outlined above finally accomplish the goal of balancing Retribution in PvE and PvP, then we can start exploring those other design issues.

Again, these are our current plans and they may change based on testing and feedback. The changes to all three trees are things we are working on right now. Some of them might not work out quite the way we intended and will have to undergo iteration before finally showing up in 3.2. Even once the patch goes live, we are still likely to have to tweak numbers. This is simply a preview of what may yet come and we hope that it will be viewed as such.

güzel olacak sanki

[Torondor]

mmo-champion said:

We know it's hard to evaluate the Retribution changes without understanding how the Seals now work. Here is how they work.

Seal of Command
OLD: Gives the Paladin a chance to deal additional Holy damage.

NEW: All melee attacks deal additional Holy damage.

Seal of Vengeance / Corruption
OLD: Fills the Paladin with holy power, causing attacks to apply Holy Vengeance which deals additional holy damage over 15 seconds. Holy Vengeance can stack up to 5 times.

NEW: Fills the Paladin with holy power, causing attacks to apply Holy Vengeance, which deals additional Holy damage over 15 sec. Holy Vengeance can stack up to 5 times. Once stacked to 5 times, each of the Paladin's attacks also deals 33% weapon damage as additional Holy damage.

mmo-champion said:

* Blessing of Sanctuary: This blessing now also increases stamina by 10%. This effect is not cumulative with Blessing of Kings.
* Charger: Can now be learned at level 40.
* Exorcism: Now has a 1.5 second cast time, but can once again be used on players.
* Hand of Reckoning: Redesigned. Now does damage only when target does not currently have the caster targeted, but damage done increased to 50% of attack power, occurring after the taunt effect is applied.
* Judgement of Light: Now heals for 2% of the attacker's maximum health instead of a variable amount based on the spell power and attack power of the judging paladin.
* Lay on Hands: The buff from this ability now reduces the physical damage taken by the target by 10/20% instead of increasing the target's armor.
* Righteous Fury: No longer has a duration or mana cost, remaining until cancelled or death. Also cancelled when a Paladin activates a different talent specialization.
* Sacred Shield: When a paladin casts Flash of Light on a target with this buff, they also now place a heal over time effect on the target, healing that target for 100% of the Flash of Light amount over 12 seconds.
* Seal of Blood: This ability has been removed.
* Seal of the Martyr: This ability has been removed.
* Seal of Vengeance and Seal of Corruption: These seals have been redesigned to deal substantially more damage. Now, once a paladin has 5 copies of the debuff from these seals on his or her target, on each swing the paladin will deal 33% weapon damage as Holy, with critical strikes dealing double damage.
* Shield of Righteousness: Now deals 100% of shield block value as damage instead of 130%.
* Warhorse: Can now be learned at level 20.
* Talents
o Holy
+ Beacon of Light: The healing amount on the Beacon of Light target is now based on the total healing done (including over-healing) instead of the effective healing done. Radius increased to 60 yards. Multiple Paladins can now have this active on the same target. Buff indicating a player is within range of the Beacon target is no longer displayed.
+ Divine Intellect: This talent now gives 2/4/6/8/10% increased intellect instead of 3/6/9/12/15%.
+ Illumination: This talent now returns 30% of the mana cost of the spell instead of 60%.
o Protection
+ Ardent Defender: Redesigned. Currently, any damage taken by the paladin while at 35% health or below is reduced. Instead, any attack that would reduce the paladin to 35% health or below has its damage reduced. In addition, once every 2 minutes an attack that would have killed the paladin will fail to kill, and instead set the paladin's health to 10/20/30% of maximum.
o Retribution
+ Art of War: Now only applies to melee critical hits, but will make your next Flash of Light or Exorcism instant.
+ Crusader Strike: Damage reduced to 75% weapon damage to match the new 4 second cooldown.
+ Seal of Command: Redesigned. This seal now deals 36% weapon damage on every swing, and deals substantially less judgement damage.
+ Vindication: Redesigned. Now lowers target attack power, is consistent and does not stack with Demoralizing Shout.

mmo-champion said:

# Paladins

* Glyph of Seal of Command: Redesigned to cause the Paladin to gain 8% of base mana each time the paladin judges Command.
* Glyph of Seal of Blood: Changed to Glyph of Holy Wrath, which reduces its cooldown by 15 seconds.

üzlüdümdü Seal of blood gidince fakat Seal of Command onun gibi bişi olmuş sankim..

[Namessar]

said:

hunter neden deterrance basmıyor mu ?

ne zaman stun gelecegi belli olmuyor. hunter dedigin muneccim degil ki onceden bassin yaksin 5 saniye skilli. ilahlar haber vermiyor stun geliyor diye.

ayrica hunter in deterrence i loladinin bubble ina benzemez. elin ayagin baglaniyor. tek yiyebildigin nane disengage, o da up sa.

[Laurelin]

abi paladinin stuni soyel gelir

BG de filan sutunuze paladin kosuyorsa hemde birde kanat acmissa %100 yersiniz kafaya stuni

retlerin %90 i faceroller oldugu icin repentance la abslayip trinketi harcatip stuni sona saklamak akillarina gelmez veya burst u combatin ortasina saklamak ve hafif hafif baslayip sasirtmak

ret paladinlerin %90 i CD aciksa kanadi pasar ustunuze kosar basar stuni, trinketle cikarsan repentance basar allah ne verdiyser abanir %20 den sonra hammer i cakar olursun

ret inde adam kesebilmesinin tek yolu budur oynanis sekli boyle faceroll cunki

pursuit of justice ile blessing of freedom sayesinde her hunter kolay kiteliyamaz pasif movement increase almadiysa ancak ret in charge i intercepti filan olmadigindan ve ranged saldirisi olmadigindan BG de filan ac cheetah i direk kitela, judgement range e girmedigin surece dokunamaz sana birde viperla manasini zorla iyice surunsun

ben oyle cok rahat ret kesiyordum