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The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (2012)

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Az önce gizemli adaya yolculuktan geldim. 3D istinye park IMAX te izledim (Vanessa Anne feciydi)


Filmden önce hobbit trailer gösterdiler 3D.

ÇOOOOOOOOOOOOKKK FECİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİYDİ. Hani bilbo sandalyede falan oturuyo sadece ama orada bile öküzzz gibi üç boyut vardı. Trailerdan sonra gizemli ada 1D kaldı (göya 3d miş :D)
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LathspeLL Grand Master

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CinemaCon'da Warner Bros. özel bir kitleye Dark Knight Rises ve Hobbit'ten 10 dakikalık footage izletmiş. Jackson Hobbit'i 48 FPS ve 3D olarak ilk kez seyirciye izletmiş.

Sonuç son derece negatif olmuş. Kimse beğenmemiş. Olay tamamen "Sinematik"likten çıkmış ve behind-the-scenes videoları gibi, BBC filmleri gibi olmuş. Herşey Fake hissi vermiş.

Benim en baştan beri çekindiğim olay buydu hatırlarsanız. Peter Jackson'a bile mail atmışlığım var konu hakkında :D. Neyse ki zorunda kalmayacağız. 24 kare izleyebileceğiz filmi istersek. Warner'a kalsa 48 FPS'den anında vazgeçerlerdi fakat Teknolojiyi destekleyenlerden biri James Cameron. Geçen sene PJ ile beraber açıklamışlardı "another revolution in Cinema" diye.

Bu sefer olmayacak revolution mevolution...

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The footage opened up with wide expansive shots of people walking on mountains and over rich green landscapes — those awesome shots that became synonymous with the Lord of the Rings series when it began a decade ago. Thee shots looked incredible — almost like something you would see in an IMAX 3D nature documentary — so extremely vivid and breathtaking, and more real than we’ve ever seen these shots before.

This is the future of Cinema… I thought…

But my amazement quickly came to an end as the sizzle reel transitioned from the landscape footage to the character centric. Everything looked so… different. It was jarring.

The change from 24 frames per second to 48 frames per second is HUGE. It completely changes what every image looks like, the movements, the tone, everything is different.

It looked like a made for television BBC movie.

It looked like when you turn your LCD television to the 120 hertz up-conversion setting.

It looked uncompromisingly real — so much so that it looked fake.

More noticeable in the footage was the make-up, the sets, the costumes. Hobbiton and Middle Earth didn’t feel like a different universe, it felt like a special effect, a film set with actors in costumes. It looked like behind the scenes footage.

The movement of the actors looked… strange. Almost as if the performances had been partly sped up. But the dialogue matched the movement of the lips, so it wasn’t an effect of speed-ramping.

It didn’t look cinematic. Not at all, even with a top filmmaker like Peter Jackson at the helm.

“This is the future of cinema,” I wondered?

But it wasn’t just me — almost everyone I talked to, almost every conversation I overheard while leaving the presentation, all centered around how it didn’t look good.

Full Article: http://www.slashfilm.com/cinemacon-ten-minutes-the-hobbit-underwhelms-higher-frame-rates-cinematic-future-james-cameron-promised/
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Cidden kimse beğenmemiş 48 fps olayını. Genel şikayet aynı. Gereğinden fazla gerçekçi ve televizyon filmi gibi duruyor diyorlar. Gerçi gösterilen görüntüler daha efektleri bile bitmemiş versiyonlarmış o yüzden belki son hali çok daha iyi olur. Olmaıd her türlü zaten normal seyrederiz :D

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There will be plenty for fans to savor. However, the richness of Jackson’s imagery, while beautiful, was marred because the 48 frames made each scene too crisp, if that’s possible. It looked more real, in fact — too real. Instead of an immersive cinematic experience, Middle Earth looked like it was captured as part of a filmed stage play,


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"a hi-def version of the 1970s I, Claudius. It is drenched in a TV-like – specifically 70s era BBC – video look. People on Twitter have asked if it has that soap opera look you get from badly calibrated TVs at Best Buy, and the answer is an emphatic YES." He went on to say, "The magical illusion of cinema is stripped away completely.”


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“It looked like a made-for-TV movie,” said one projectionist, who requested anonymity because of his affiliation with a competing studio. “It was too accurate — too clear. The contrast ratio isn’t there yet — everything looked either too bright or black.”


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The bad news is the 48fps is so jarring that I’m not sure casual moviegoers will enjoy it. While I figured the image quality would improve at 48fps, it’s like looking at real life on a movie screen and not in a good way. You no longer have motion blur. You no longer can hide stuff in the darkness. While watching Bilbo fight the trolls (which looked great), it looked like nothing I’ve ever seen projected on a movie screen. Granted the visual effects weren’t done and the lighting wasn’t finalized, but it was such a change that by the end of the presentation, I wasn’t sure I wanted to watch the entire movie in this new 48fps format. This is definitely not what I expected to say. Ultimately, it just didn’t look cinematic and it sort of looked like HD TV. Perhaps shooting at 48fps and then projecting at 24fps will solve my issues. Who knows


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It opened with lots of sweeping shots of the mountains and landscapes of Middle Earth set to Howard Shore’s distinctive score leading into an introduction by the older Bilbo, played by Ian Holm, telling the story of his journey to Frodo, and we see a brief glimpse of Elijah Wood as his “Lord of the Rings” character. This then leads into the opening from the trailer of Gandalf approaching Bilbo to go on a journey with the dwarves.

There’s also a significant scene where Gandalf is presenting “the Immortal Blade” to a council made up of Christopher Lee’s Saruman, Cate Blanchett’s Galadriel, and Hugo Weaving’s Elrond as they discuss the sword’s origins and how Gandalf was able to get it from the crypt of the Witch King where he was buried in a tomb covered with spells preventing it from being opened.

The scenes of the group walking across the green fields and icy mountains of Middle Earth (i.e. New Zealand) were definitely reminiscent of “Fellowship of the Rings” and we even saw a little bit of Gandalf on his steed and a scene where the dwarves first encounter Orlando Bloom’s Legolas.

The highlight though was an extended conversation between Bilbo and Smeagol/Gollum where Bilbo is trying to get directions from the strange creature who seems to be more interested in playing a game of riddles. Andy Serkis’ ability to switch Smeagol’s schizophrenic personalities still seems to be intact, and from what we saw, Martin Freeman seems absolutely perfect as Bilbo and we think audiences will like him as much as they did the Hobbits in the “Lord of the Rings” movies.

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PJ'den açıklama gelmiş hemen, 48 FPS'ı savunmuş. Gösterilen 10 dakikalık görüntünün küçük klipler olduğunu, insanların olayın içine girmeleri için hikayeyi bütünüyle izlemeleri gerektiğini söylüyor. 10 dakikalık görüntülerin sonunda Bilbo ve Gollum sahnesi gösterilmiş, oldukça dialogluymuş diğerlerine nazaran. Asıl orda insanların ne düşündüğünü merak ediyormuş PJ.

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In a conversation with THR, Jackson acknowledged that 48 fps “does take you a while to get used to.” In fact, he wonders if viewers might have responded better had they seen more of the 48 fps footage. “Ten minutes is sort of marginal, it probably needed a little bit more,” he said. “Another thing that I think is a factor is it’s different to look at a bunch of clips and some were fast-cutting, montage-style clips. This is different experience than watching a character and story unfold.”

Speaking separately with EW, he pointed out that some of the critics seemed less bothered by the higher frame rate in a scene between Gollum and Bilbo, which was shown later in the presentation. “That was the same 48 frames the rest of the reel was. I just wonder if it they were getting into the dialogue, the characters and the story. That’s what happens in the movie. You settle into it.” He insists that people will adjust in time. “It’s literally a new experience, but you know, that doesn’t last the entire experience of the film — not by any stretch, [just] 10 minutes or so.”

In his personal experience, he said, “You get used to it reasonably quickly.” “We have obviously seen cuts of our movie at 48 and in a relatively short amount of time you have forgotten (the frame rate change). It is a more immersive and in 3D a gentler way to see the film.” Indeed, he told THR, when he sees 24 fps footage now, “I’m very aware of the strobing, the flicker and the artifacts.”

Still, the jarring difference between 24 fps and 48 fps has Jackson planning to release the trailer at the lower, more traditional rate. “”I personally wouldn’t advocate a 48-frame trailer because the 48 frames is something you should experience with the entire film. A 2 1/2 minute trailer isn’t enough time to adjust to the immersive quality.” He asked that audiences give the new technology a real shot before rushing to judgment. ”There can only ever be a real reaction, a truthful reaction, when people actually have a chance to see a complete narrative on a particular film.”

And if some moviegoers, after sitting through three hours of a 48 fps film, decide they still don’t care for it? “I can’t say anything,” he conceded. ”Just like I can’t say anything to someone who doesn’t like fish. You can’t explain why fish tastes great and why they should enjoy it.” The studio, of course, is prepared to cater to audiences on both sides. The Hobbit: The Unexpected Journey will hit theaters this December in some six different formats: 2D, 3D, and IMAX 3D, each in 24 fps or 48 fps.

However, Jackson believes that the change in rate will eventually prove to be a positive step in film technology. “A lot of the critical response I was reading was people saying it’s different. Well, yes, it certainly is,” he told THR. “But I think, ultimately, it is different in a positive way, especially for 3D, especially for epic films and films that are trying to immerse the viewer in the experience of a story.” He was even blunter while speaking to EW: “Nobody is going to stop. [...] This technology is going to keep evolving.”


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