patici/k/ silah topiği

[Rerore]

1000mm gibi kalın zırhlarda
tank zırhı patlama etkisiyle delinmiyor
patlama etkisiyle mühimmat plazma halinde zırhı deliyor

[Sam]

zırh 1000mm değil zaten, rolled homogeneous steel değeri mühimmata karşı. zırhların ölçü birimi. sen 1500lük değerdekine 500lük sıkarsan hiçbirşey olmaz.

ha tutup da videodaki gibi ölüm yıldızının egzos borusuna sıkarsan işe yarar tabii. :p

[Fistan]

1000mm zırh mı Bİ METRE

[Rerore]

evt bildiğin 1 metre zırh var
tabi her bölgede değil

ve deliniyor o 1 metre 3-4 cm çapında

[pontipati]

gustav >
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/hitler-gustav-railway-gun.jpg

[Sam]

1 metre zırh yok, kompozit zırhlar işte 1-1,5 metre çelikmiş kadar dayanıklı ama. vs heat ile vs kinetic projectile başka değerler ama.

gustav'ın kendisi araba fırlatıyor zaten olsun o kadar. :p gerçi o kadar küçük hedefi tutturamayabilir ehu.

[pronoit]

benim bildiğim işte belgeselde izlemiştim (kaynak gösterememek ) elemanlar tankların artık şehirlerde kolay av olduğunu eskisi gibi üstünlük sağlamadiğindan gelişmiş apclerle daha mobil zirhli araçlar düşünüyorlardı.

orada işte körfez savaşi paşalarindan bir amerikali adam ya 90 tonun yeri gene de ayridir diyordu.

ama şu bir gerçek teknoloji en sonunda gene savaşı piyadenin üstüne yıkacak gibi.

görüyoruz tamam arkasında bin tane siyasi neden olabilir ama mobil düzensiz askerlere karşi hava müdahelesi bile pek iş görmüyor. ki hava en gelişmiş askeriye

2000-3000 lik piyade kayiplari çildirtir çünkü topyekün savaş yok abi : ) öyle bişi olsa bile heralde vietnamdan sonra kamuoyu desteğini hükümetler sağlayamaz.


hatta bazen düşünüyorum da o kadar çok araç gereç var ki şu an savaşta komutanların efektif olarak kullanabileceğinden bile emin değilim.

[Sam]

ondan bu yana zaman geçti, israil aktif savunma sistemlerini kullanmaya başladı ve dalga geçti merkavalar sovyet anti-tank füzeleriyle. dönüp dönüp vurdular ateş edenleri.

mobilitenin şehirde zerre önemi yok zaten, adam sana sıkacak illa ve gelecek aletin üzerine. buna karşı nasıl savunuyor alet kendini bu önemli. apcden bozma araçlarla bu iş olmuyor, gerçek hayatta instagib quake maçı gibi yapılamayacağı görüldü. attığın şey hedefine gidiyor artık. ölüyorsa gg. aleti üretiyorsun ama askeri yerine koyamıyorsun. hele hele doğum oranları her ülkede çakılırken, üçüncü dünya savaşı olan katılan ülkeler bir daha zor gelir kendine.

piyadeden cacık olmuyor tek başına önünde tank, tepesinde uçak olmayınca. çaka çaka eziliyorsun. ışid meselesinde adamların "hedef burada koordinatı şu, gelin vurun" diyecek adamı yok yerde, 5km tepeden ne görüyorlarsa onu vuruyorlar ki öyle olmaz yani bir yere kadar. bu bizim civardaki düşük yoğunluklu çarpışmaları pek dikkate almamak lazım, ciddi oyuncular yok.

çok araç gerek yok aslında, 500-1000 uçak murica hariç büyük filolar bile, birkaç ayda erir onlar rahat. tanklar da gene öyle. bugün çok pahalıya üretiliyor artık aletler, herkesde az 2-3 ülke hariç. ciddi bir savaşta binlerce üretmek lazım hızlı.

ha ama muhtemelen ne olacak, bu kadar pahalı olduğu için filolar, sayısal olarak zayıf olan taraf muhtemelen savaştan kaçacak ww1 kriegsmarine hochseeflotte gibi, kaybedince yerine koymak imkansız gibi çünkü. daha ucuza daha çok efektif aleti yapabilen kazanır büyük ihtimalle gene.

piyade power armor çıkarsa o zaman büyük önem kazanır, onu ilk giyen tekme tokat döver herkesi fallout hikayesindeki gibi ehu.

[Tatar Ramazan]

1 metre kalınlıkta zırh mı olur lan manyak mısınız? ahah Rerörö

[Rerore]

açılı koyuyorsun 1metreye denk geliyor hipotenüsten

ayrıca anti tankları incele
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERYX

fantezi olsun diye mi uğraşmışlar o kadar delsin diye

[dana22]

ben de tam onu diyecektim power armor yada mech i basan kazanacak diye.. super skeletonlar yapiliyor ama ordu ne kadar aldi bilinmiyor.

[Sam]

sırf çelik zırh olan tank zaten kalmadı gibi, açılı da koysan eskisi kadar işe yaramıyor sabota karşı.
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/18/1399064964-22232854ux1-15da6ce2.png
çeşit çeşit katmanlar lazım işte sabotu ilerlerken yavaşlatıp bozacak içeriye ulaşmadan.

[Bone]

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[Feamer]

dana22 said:

ben de tam onu diyecektim power armor yada mech i basan kazanacak diye.. super skeletonlar yapiliyor ama ordu ne kadar aldi bilinmiyor.

daha önce koymuştum ne kadar gerçek bilinmez ama ruslar, ak lerden atılan ve zırhlı araçların zırhlarını delen mermileri var deniyor...

sen o zırhı bilinen metallerden yaparsan eğer, antisi eğer bulunamamış ise hala bulurlar zaten, o zırhı yapmaktan daha kolay ve ucuz olur...

onları başarı kazanması için devrimsel bir metali ilk ve gizli bulup topyekun saldırmak lazım

demir silah ve zırh kullananları tunç kullananları ezmesi gibi...

not: zırhlı araç dediğim m1a2 lerin yan motor kısmı

[Feamer]

ayrıca hala bakmayanalar için RPG-29 şöyle bir şey:
1989 bu arada üretim yılı

http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/images/rpg29-1.jpg
http://www.missiles.ru/_foto/Bazalt_RPG/rpg-29_IMG_6199.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ro5rbFwm89w/URCSLkbOmkI/AAAAAAAANLk/1szXS3q4wrQ/s640/Syrian+free+army+rpg+29.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/oqkjgn.jpg

[dana22]

ak lardan zirh delen mermi atilmasi rpg lerdeki gibi kademeli patlayicili degilse zor.hatta bir tufegin bile zirh delmesi zor.ptrd lere soyle bir goz gezdirdim de ospreylerden esas esprisi guclu bir namlu cikis hizi saglayip zirhi delmeye calismak..tabi ki basabildiklerini soylemek zor..sadece 2 dunya savasinin ilk yillarinda ince zirhlara karsi ise yaramis.

sonra amerikalilar bundan bildigin sniper silahlarini uretmis..

[Feamer]

var, hürriyet haberi vardı hatta koydum buraya biryere, zamanında kestiğim gazete küpürüde var, kalem kadar delikler var motor kısmında, açısız olarak temiz delikler 2-3 tane

hatta 2. körfez savaşında öncede haber var ruslardan zırh delen mermi diye, savaş çıkıncada öbür haberler çıktı

hatta,


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread812577/pg1
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=67607
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1012242/posts
http://www.lastdays.com/news/military/militaryarch2.html altlara doğru

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[Feamer]

http://www.rense.com/general44/what.htm

said:

Something' Felled An Abrams
Tank In Iraq - But What?
Mystery Behind Aug. 28 Incident Puzzles Army Officials
By John Roos
Army Times
11-2-3

Shortly before dawn on Aug. 28, an M1A1 Abrams tank on routine patrol in Baghdad "was hit by something" that crippled the 69-ton behemoth.

Army officials still are puzzling over what that "something" was.

According to an unclassified Army report, the mystery projectile punched through the vehicle's skirt and drilled a pencil-sized hole through the hull. The hole was so small that "my little finger will not go into it," the reportís author noted.

The "something" continued into the crew compartment, where it passed through the gunner's seatback, grazed the kidney area of the gunner's flak jacket and finally came to rest after boring a hole 1-1/2 to 2 inches deep in the hull on the far side of the tank.

As it passed through the interior, it hit enough critical components to knock the tank out of action. That made the tank one of only two Abrams disabled by enemy fire during the Iraq war and one of only a handful of "mobility kills" since they first rumbled onto the scene 20 years ago. The other Abrams knocked out this year in Iraq was hit by an RPG-7, a rocket-propelled grenade.

Experts believe whatever it is that knocked out the tank in August was not an RPG-7 but most likely something new - and that worries tank drivers.

Mystery and anxiety

Terry Hughes is a technical representative from Rock Island Arsenal, Ill., who examined the tank in Baghdad and wrote the report.

In the sort of excited language seldom included in official Army documents, he said, "The unit is very anxious to have this 'SOMETHING' identified. It seems clear that a penetrator of a yellow molten metal is what caused the damage, but what weapon fires such a round and precisely what sort of round is it? The bad guys are using something unknown and the guys facing it want very much to know what it is and how they can defend themselves."

Nevertheless, the Abrams continues its record of providing extraordinary crew protection. The four-man crew suffered only minor injuries in the attack. The tank commander received "minor shrapnel wounds to the legs and arms and the gunner got some in his arm" as a result of the attack, according to the report.

Whatever penetrated the tank created enough heat inside the hull to activate the vehicle's Halon firefighting gear, which probably prevented more serious injuries to the crew.

The soldiers of 2nd Battalion, 70th Armor Regiment, 1st Armor Division who were targets of the attack weren't the only ones wondering what damaged their 69-ton tank.

Hughes also was puzzled. "Can someone tell us?" he wrote. "If not, can we get an expert on foreign munitions over here to examine this vehicle before repairs are begun? Please respond quickly."

His report went to the office of the combat systems program manager at the U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command in Warren, Mich. A command spokesman said he could provide no information about the incident.

"The information is sensitive," he said. "It looks like [members of the program manager's office] are not going to release any information right now."

While it's impossible to determine what caused the damage without actually examining the tank, some conclusions can be drawn from photos that accompanied the incident report. Those photos show a pencil-size penetration hole through the tank body, but very little sign of the distinctive damage - called spalling - that typically occurs on the inside surface after a hollow- or shaped-charge warhead from an anti-tank weapon burns its way through armor.

Spalling results when an armor penetrator pushes a stream of molten metal ahead of it as it bores through an armored vehicle'ís protective skin.

"It's a real strange impact," said a source who has worked both as a tank designer and as an anti-tank weapons engineer. "This is a new one... It almost definitely is a hollow-charge warhead of some sort, but probably not an RPG-7" anti-tank rocket-propelled grenade.

The well-known RPG-7 has been the scourge of lightly armored vehicles since its introduction more than 40 years ago. Its hollow-charge warhead easily could punch through an M1's skirt and the relatively thin armor of its armpit joint, the area above the tracks and beneath the deck on which the turret sits, just where the mystery round hit the tank.

An RPG-7 can penetrate about 12 inches of steel - a thickness far greater than the armor that was penetrated on the tank in Baghdad. But the limited spalling evident in the photos accompanying the incident report all but rules out the RPG-7 as the culprit, experts say.

Limited spalling is a telltale characteristic of Western-manufactured weapons designed to defeat armor with a cohesive jet stream of molten metal. In contrast, RPG-7s typically produce a fragmented jet spray.

The incident is so sensitive that most experts in the field would talk only on the condition that they not be identified.

One armor expert at Fort Knox, Ky., suggested the tank may have been hit by an updated RPG. About 15 years ago, Russian scientists created tandem-warhead anti-tank-grenades designed to defeat reactive armor. The new round, a PG-7VR, can be fired from an RPG-7V launcher and might have left the unusual signature on the tank.

In addition, the Russians have developed an improved weapon, the RPG-22. These and perhaps even newer variants have been used against American forces in Afghanistan. It is believed U.S. troops seized some that have been returned to the United States for testing, but scant details about their effects and "fingerprints" are available.

Still another possibility is a retrofitted warhead for the RPG system being developed by a Swiss manufacturer.

At this time, it appears most likely that an RPG-22 or some other improved variant of the Russian-designed weapon damaged the M1 tank, sources concluded. The damage certainly was caused by some sort of shaped-charge or hollow-charge warhead, and the cohesive nature of the destructive jet suggests a more effective weapon than a fragmented-jet RPG-7.

A spokesman for General Dynamics Land Systems, which manufactures the Abrams, said company engineers agree some type of RPG probably caused the damage. After checking with them, the spokesman delivered the manufacturer's verdict: The tank was hit by "a 'golden' RPG" - an extremely lucky shot.

In the end, a civilian weapons expert said, "I hope it was a lucky shot and we are not part of someone's test program. Being a live target is no fun."

- John Roos is editor of Armed Forces Journal, which is owned by Army Times Publishing Co.

Copyright © 2003

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292236-2336437.php


More Images Of US M1 Tank Disabled By What?

From Stan Bernard
11-13-3
Source: Strategy Page.com
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=missile_mystery.htm

[Sam]

7.62'nin alabileceği patlayıcı miktarı belli, sen ucunu ne yaparsan yap iletebileceği kinetik enerji belli. bunları dünyadışı materyallerle bile yapsan bu sefer o namlu, patlama haznesi filan dayanmaz. 50 cal sabotun bile o tanka işleyebileyeceği meçhul, yandan olsa bile. ya da cidden en korumasız bir yeriymiş.

[Vulcan_Lionheart]

favori silahımı koyayım bari :)



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videosu..

[Feamer]

iyide niye revolver ki, nasıl tutacaksın elinde de ateş edeceksin, nerede taşıyacaksın, daha bir sürü şey...

[Vulcan_Lionheart]

ejderha avlayacam ben o revolverla :) o kadar fantazi bir silah işte :)

[dana22]

onun geri tepmesi seni oldurur neredeyse..

[Feamer]

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[Feamer]

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