ardeth bak bi

[mep]

aptal mı?
canın sağolsun.

[Ardeth]

zamanında ışık hızına yaklaştıkça sahip olduğun ivmeyi korumak için uygulaman gereken kuvvetin sonsuza gittiğini gösteren bi grafik çizmiştim ama arama çalışmıyor

bir de relativistik momentum denen şey p = gama*m*v diye verilir. dolayısıyla bunu hız arttıkça kütle artar gibi yorumlayabilirsiniz (gama her zaman birden büyüktür ve hız arttıkça artar).

[ShadowFury]

mulgear6 said:

abi aptal mısınız?
ışık hızına yaklaştıkça kütle artmaz azalır

şu formüle göre v=c olduğu noktada M=m/0 olmuyo mu? M=sonsuz olduğuna göre yakınsadıkça artması lazım.
(Tabi M nedir, m nedir onu bilmeden sallıyorum)

[Ardeth]

o dediğinde bugünki teoriye göre sorun yok çünkü kütlesi sıfır olmayan bir parçacığın ışık hızına ulaşması imkansız (yani m=0 baştan beri dolayısıyla M=0). kütlesi olmayan her parçacık ise ışık hızı ile gitmek zorunda.

[abvblizzard]

biri big bangden sonra evrenin nasil isik hizindan daha hizli genisledigini anlatsin bana :(

[Sparkcaster]

Allahın işi

[Oce4n]

Allah'ın hikmetleri işte..

[escape]

abi bence kmse hiçbişi bilmiyo kurusıkı atmayın

[Ardeth]

abvblizzard said:

biri big bangden sonra evrenin nasil isik hizindan daha hizli genisledigini anlatsin bana :(

onu duymadım bilmiyorum internete bak öyle bir şey varsa :p

universe expansion spped of light falan yaz çıkar

ama tabi şunu da unutma bunların hepsi teori. genel görelilikte eksiklikler olabileceği gibi evreni genişlemesi ile ilgili teorilerde de hata olabilir. adamların bir modeli vardır ve bazı veriler vardır o verileri modele sokunca evrenin ışık hızından hızlı genişlediğini buluyorlardır. Bu durumda bir çelişki varsa ortada teorilerin birinin eksikliğinden ya da verilerin yanlışlığından kaynaklanıyor olabilir.

[Ardeth]

escape said:

abi bence kmse hiçbişi bilmiyo kurusıkı atmayın

benim yazıklarım standart fizik lisans 3. sınıf dersi çok büyük olaylar değil :p herhangi bir modern fizik kitabında bulabilirsiniz hehe

[escape]

bak şimdi hocam.
"bir kütle ışık hızına yaklaşınca enerjiye dönüşür" ben bunu biliyorum. şimdi bu doğru mu değil mi?

[escape]

yaklaşınca değil pardon ışık hızına erişince.

[Suark]

aga ne farkeder ulaşınca gorursunuz

[SeaGle]

Benim teyzem ışık hızına çıktı
tabi rahmetli teyzem

[Ardeth]

escape said:

bak şimdi hocam.
"bir kütle ışık hızına yaklaşınca enerjiye dönüşür" ben bunu biliyorum. şimdi bu doğru mu değil mi?

ben de kütlesi olan bir cisim ışık hızına ulaşamaz diye biliyorum senin dediğini de duymadım hiç wikipediaya falan bak belki vardır

[escape]

E=mc² bu ne o zaman arkadaş.

c ışık hızı
m kütle
e de enerji

burda demek oluyorki(bence) ışık hızı ve kütle bir şekilde bi enerji açığa cıkarıyor. bi de c² yani.

[escape]

biri anlıyacağım dilden aydınlatsın da biliyim aga

[abvblizzard]

O formul
madde hızlandıkça kütlesi azalır değil de kütlesi azaldıkça ışık hızına yaklaşır değil mi ya?
Zaten bilmiyorum fizik iyce kafamı karıştırdınız sdfs.

[mep]

Special Relativity: Why Can't You Go Faster Than Light

An Essay by W. Daniel Hillis

You've probably heard that nothing can go faster than the speed of light, but have you ever wondered how this rule gets enforced? What happens when you're cruising along in your spaceship and you go faster and faster and faster until you hit the light barrier? Do the dilithium crystals that power your engine suddenly melt down? Do you vanish from the known universe? Do you go backward in time? The correct answer is none of the above. Don't feel bad if you don't know it; no one in the world knew it until Albert Einstein worked it out.

The easiest way to understand Einstein's explanation understand the simple equation that you have probably seen before: e = mc2. In order to understand this equation, let's consider a similar equation, one for converting between square inches and square feet. If i is the number of square inches and f is the number of square feet, then we can write the equation: I =144 f . The 144 comes from squaring the number of inches per foot (122 = 144). writing the same equation would be i = c2f, where c in this case is equal to 12 inches per foot. Depending on what units we use, this equation can be used to convert any measure of area to any other measure of area; just the constant c will be different. For example, the same equation can be used for converting square yards to square meters, where c is 0.9144, the number of yards per meter. The c2 is just the conversion constant.

The reason why these area equations work is that square feet and square inches are different ways of measuring the same thing, namely area. What Einstein realized, to everyone one's surprise, was that energy and mass are also just two different ways of measuring the same thing. It turns out that just a little bit of mass is equal to a whole lot of energy, so in the equation, the conversion constant is very large. For example, if we measure mass in kilograms and energy in joules, the equation can be written like this: e = 90,000,000,000,000,000 m. This means, for example, that a charged-up battery (which contains about one million joules of energy) weighs about 0.0000000001 grams more than a battery that has been discharged.

If we work with different units, the conversion constant will be different. For instance, if we measure mass in tons, and energy in BTUs, then c will be 93,856,000,000,000,000. (It happens to work out that the conversion constant in a particular set of units is always the speed of light in those units, but that is another story.) If we measure both energy and mass in what physicists call "the natural units" (in which c = 1), we would write the equation: e = m, which makes it easier to understand; it just means that energy and mass are the same thing.

It doesn't matter whether the energy is electrical energy, chemical energy, or even atomic energy. It all weighs the same amount per unit of energy. In fact, the equation even works with something physicists called "kinetic" energy, that is, the energy something has when it is moving. For example, when I throw a baseball, I put energy into the baseball by pushing it with my arm. According to Einstein's equation, the baseball actually gets heavier when I throw it. (A physicist might get picky here and distinguish between something getting heavier and something gaining mass, but I'm not going to try. The point is that the ball becomes harder to throw.) The faster I throw the baseball, the heavier it gets. Using Einstein's equation, e = mc2, I calculate that if I could throw a baseball one hundred miles an hour (which I can't, but a good pitcher can), then the baseball actually gets heavier by 0.000000000002 grams — which is not much.

Now, let's go back to your starship. Let's assume that your engines are powered by tapping into some external energy source, so you don't have to worry about carrying fuel. As you get going faster and faster in your starship, you are putting more and more energy into the ship by speeding it up, so the ship keeps getting heavier. (Again, I should really be saying "massier" not "heavier" since there is no gravity in space.) By the time you reach 90 percent of the speed of light, the ship has so much energy in it that it actually has about twice the mass as the ship has at rest. It gets harder and harder to propel with the engines, because it's so heavy. As you get closer to the speed of light, you begin to get diminishing returns — the more energy the ship has, the heavier it gets, so the more energy that must be put into it to speed it up just a little bit, the heavier it gets, and so on.

The effect is even worse than you might think because of what is going on inside the ship. After all, everything inside the ship, including you, is speeding up, getting more and more energy, and getting heavier and heavier. In fact, you and all the machines on the ship are getting pretty sluggish. Your watch, for instance, which used to weigh about half an ounce, now weighs about forty tons. And the spring inside your watch really hasn't gotten any stronger, so the watch has slowed way down so that it only ticks once an hour. Not only has your watch slowed down, but the biological clock inside your head has also slowed down. You don't notice this because your neurons are getting heavier, and your thoughts are slowed down by exactly the same amount as the watch. As far as you are concerned, your watch is just ticking along at the same rate as before. (Physicists call this "relativistic time contraction."winking smiley The other thing that is slowed down is all of the machinery that is powering your engines (the dilithium crystals are getting heavier and slower, too). So your ship is getting heavier, your engines are getting sluggish, and the closer you get to the speed of light, the worse it gets. It just gets harder and harder and harder, and no matter how hard you try, you just can't quite get over the light barrier. And that's why you can't go faster than the speed of light.

(Excerpted from How Things Are: A Science Tool-Kit for the Mind, edited by John Brockman & Katinka Matson. William Morrow, 1996).

[Ardeth]

escape said:

E=mc² bu ne o zaman arkadaş.

c ışık hızı
m kütle
e de enerji

burda demek oluyorki(bence) ışık hızı ve kütle bir şekilde bi enerji açığa cıkarıyor. bi de c² yani.

o duran bir cismin kütle enerjisi. hareket eden ağırlıklı cismin enerjisi gama*m*c^2. senin dediğin şeyle bunun ilgisi ne peki?

[Cuce]

e=m*c2

enerjiye bi carparım ışık hızının karesiyle, enerji oluverir!
demek değil abi.

[Ardeth]

c'yi burda g gibi evrensel bir sabit olarak görmek daha faydalı olur akıl sağlığı için

yoksa herhangi bir cismin kütle enerjisinin ışık hızıyla fiziksel alakasını verecek bir formül değil o

[Estel_Anorien]

fizik çogzel bişey aslında kuantum falan.

[zeawee]

Ardeth hunharca..

[xunn]

Abi Star Warz izleyin yeterli ya. Işın kılıcı da var.