Atatürk bile kurtulamadı

[Darklight1903]

tito ve lenin de cok iyi.

[Laurelin]

calimero said:

Viktor said:

pinochet direk amerikanin adami ya, tipik cia tarafindan yerlestirilen tropico diktatoru, silinin ekonomisini yabanci sermayeye teslim edip icine eden adam direk

ama ideoloji var tabi isin icinde heuehu, sol bi rejimi devirip geldigi icin kim jong ilin %10 u kadar suc islememis olmasina ragmen cani ve kasap ilan ederler adami, bizim netekim pasa kadar bile insan hayati ile oynamis sucu yoktur ama, ha yiginla yolsuzlugu ve swiss bank accountunda birikmis yiginla paracigi vardir o ayri

yani ciya oyunu bunlar hep, oyuna gelmeyin!

Viktor, bu arada çok şakacısın lan!

inb4 kimjong il resimleri.

şili darbesinin mağdurlarının ölen, sürgüne gönderilen "kaybolan" rakamlarına bir bak istersen. hakeza 80 türkiye darbesinin.

bunu da harbi bilmediğimden soruyorum; kim jong il'in işlediği suçları bir yazsana.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/north-korea/report-2012

buyur raporlari, defteri en kirli ulke direk ki dis denetimide kapali bide ona ragmen bu kadar kabarik, adam kacirma, toplama kamplari, faili mechuller ve kayiplar, dusunce ozgurlugu yok, haberlesme ozgurlugu yok, seyahat ozgurlugu yok, calisma ozgurlugu yok, egitim ozgurlugu yok, yiyicek dagitimlari kitliga ragmen once orduya sonra halka yapiliyor

insan haklari evrensel bildirgesinin neredeyse 30 maddesini birden cigneyen tek ulke

ha amnesty international tarafli (lulz) CIA hep diyenler icin (taraflilik icin sorosun HRW suna bakabilirsiniz )amerika sayfasi gelsin

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/usa/report-2012#ai-reports

said:

Forty-three men were executed during the year, and concerns about cruel prison conditions continued. Scores of detainees remained in indefinite military detention at Guantánamo. The administration announced its intention to pursue the death penalty against six of these detainees in trials by military commission. Some 3,000 people were held in the US detention facility on the Bagram air base in Afghanistan by the end of the year. Use of lethal force in the counter-terrorism context raised serious concerns, as did continuing reports of the use of excessive force in the domestic law enforcement context.

ha bide turkiye var tabiki

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/turkey/report-2012

said:

Promised constitutional and other legal reforms did not occur. Instead, the right to freedom of expression was threatened and protesters faced increased police violence. Thousands of prosecutions brought under flawed anti-terrorism laws routinely failed fair trial standards. Bomb attacks claimed the lives of civilians. No progress was made in recognizing the right to conscientious objection or in protecting the rights of children in the judicial system. The rights of refugees and asylum-seekers and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people remained unsecured in law. Preventive mechanisms to combat violence against women remained inadequate.

ha bide sorosun HRW sunda goremiyiceginiz bir ulkecik daha var

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-2012

said:

The Israeli authorities continued to blockade the Gaza Strip, prolonging the humanitarian crisis there, and to restrict the movement of Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT). In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, the authorities continued to construct the fence/wall, much of it on Palestinian land, and to expand settlements, breaching international law. They demolished Palestinian homes and other facilities in the West Bank, and homes of Palestinian citizens inside Israel, especially in “unrecognized” villages in the Negev. The Israeli army frequently used excessive, sometimes lethal force against demonstrators in the West Bank and civilians in border areas within the Gaza Strip. Israeli military forces killed 55 civilians in the OPT, including 11 children. Settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank increased, and three Palestinians were killed by Israeli settlers. Israeli settlers and soldiers accused of committing abuses against Palestinians generally escaped accountability. The authorities failed to conduct independent investigations into alleged war crimes by Israeli forces during Operation “Cast Lead” in 2008-2009. The Israeli authorities arrested thousands of West Bank Palestinians. More than 307 were administrative detainees held without charge or trial; others received prison terms following military trials. Israel held more than 4,200 Palestinian prisoners at the end of 2011. Reports of torture and other ill-treatment of detainees continued.

[PastorOfMuppets]

KuddusiMavra said:

faydalı bir şey bulup paylaşsan şaşırırdım zaten.
diktatör Atatürk ifadesi de facia zaten.

http://i.imgur.com/Z634N.jpg

[calimero]

@viktor

said:

The year ended with Kim Jong-un succeeding his father as absolute ruler of the country on 17 December, but there were no indications of an improvement in the country’s dismal human rights record. North Koreans continued to suffer violations of nearly the entire spectrum of their human rights. Six million North Koreans urgently needed food aid and a UN report found that the country could not feed its people in the immediate future. There were reports of the existence of numerous prison camps where arbitrary detention, forced labour, and torture and other ill-treatment were rife. Executions, including public executions, persisted. Collective punishment was common. Violations of freedom of expression and assembly were widespread.
Background

Kim Jong-il died, reportedly of a heart attack, in December, ending his 17-year tenure as state leader, a position he inherited from his father, Kim Il-sung. Kim Jong-un, Kim Jong-il’s son, was appointed his successor.
In June, the UN Security Council extended for a third term the mandate of the expert body dealing with UN sanctions imposed on North Korea for nuclear arms testing.
Flooding caused by heavy rains beginning in June was compounded by a typhoon in August, causing widespread damage, especially in north and south Hwanghae provinces. A total of 68 people were reportedly killed or missing and more than 25,000 left homeless as a consequence.
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Food crisis

Deaths from starvation were reported in South Pyongan province in January, and in North and South Hamkyung provinces since April 2010. In April, the World Food Programme, Food and Agricultural Organization and UNICEF launched an emergency operation to reach 3.5 million of the most vulnerable children, women and elderly.
A report, released in November by the Food and Agricultural Organization and the World Food Programme, found that much of the population suffered prolonged food deprivation from May to September as the Public Distribution System ration of cereals was reduced to 200g or less per person per day. This amounted to just one third of a person’s minimum daily energy requirements. The report indicated that malnutrition affected one in four women aged 15 to 49, while just over a third of all infants suffered from stunting and nearly a fifth were underweight. The report further cited a 50 to 100 per cent increase in the admissions of malnourished children into paediatric wards compared with the previous year.
Despite the crisis, international food aid remained dependent on geopolitics. Reports in February suggested that the government had ordered its embassies to appeal to foreign governments for food aid. Following an aid-monitoring visit, the European Commission decided in June to provide €10 million in emergency food aid. The USA did not send food aid to North Korea, reflecting concerns over the monitoring of its distribution.
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Arbitrary arrests and detention

In apparent preparation for a succession of power, unconfirmed reports suggested that, in January, the State Security Agency detained over 200 officials, some of whom were feared executed, while others were sent to political prison camps. Credible reports estimated that up to 200,000 prisoners were held in horrific conditions in six sprawling political prison camps, including the notorious Yodok facility. Thousands were imprisoned in at least 180 other detention facilities. Most were imprisoned without trial or following grossly unfair trials and on the basis of forced confessions.
Torture and other ill-treatment
Men, women and children in the camps were tortured and ill-treated, including by being forced to work in dangerous conditions. The combination of hazardous forced labour, inadequate food, beatings, totally inadequate medical care and unhygienic living conditions, resulted in prisoners falling ill, and a large number died in custody or soon after release. The government continued to deny the existence of political prison camps.
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Death penalty

In July, there were unconfirmed reports that the authorities had either executed by firing squad or killed in staged traffic accidents 30 officials who had participated in inter-Korean talks or supervised bilateral dialogue. On 10 March, the Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions wrote to the government regarding 37 reported cases of executions between 2007 and 2010 for “financial crimes”.
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Freedom of expression

In June, the authorities allowed the Associated Press to establish a news bureau in Pyongyang. Reuters news agency announced that it had received permission to operate a satellite dish in Pyongyang. Nevertheless, there were no independent domestic media, no known independent opposition political parties and no independent civil society. Criticism of the government and its leaders was strictly curtailed, and punishable by arrest and incarceration in a prison camp. Only a select few people had internet access, mostly through a closely monitored intranet network. Officials clamped down on users of Chinese mobile phones, and phone connections were blocked in Sinuiju, the border city near Dandong in China.
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Freedom of movement

North Korean citizens faced severe restrictions on travel both within the country and abroad. Thousands of North Koreans who fled to China in search of food and employment were often forcibly repatriated to North Korea by the Chinese authorities. They were routinely beaten and detained upon return. Those suspected of being in touch with South Korean NGOs or attempting to escape to the Republic of Korea (South Korea) were more severely punished. Reports in July suggested that North Korean authorities ordered a crackdown on people leaving the country without permission. In October, unconfirmed reports indicated that the National Security Agency had arrested at least 20 North Koreans in September in Shenyang, China. The 20 were forcibly returned to North Korea and detained at a National Security Agency facility in North Hamkyung province.
Refugees and asylum-seekers
More than 23,500 North Koreans were granted nationality in South Korea; hundreds were in Japan. According to figures released in 2011 by UNHCR, the UN refugee agency, there were 917 North Korean asylum-seekers in “refugee-like situations” in 2010 in countries including Australia, Germany, Netherlands, UK and USA.
In March, 27 North Koreans were handed over to the North Korean navy. They were part of a 31-member group (20 women, 11 men) whose fishing boat had drifted into South Korean waters in thick fog in February. Four of this group decided to remain in South Korea and were given nationality.
In June, nine North Koreans reached South Korea by boat. Following this, the North Korean authorities reportedly restricted travel of its citizens to border areas and banned small boats along its west coast.
In September, nine North Koreans, including three children, were discovered off the coast of Japan’s Ishikawa Prefecture aboard a small wooden fishing boat. They were initially detained in Nagasaki and were later allowed to leave for South Korea.
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International scrutiny

The UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in North Korea was denied permission to visit the country. In September, 40 NGOs, including Amnesty International, inaugurated an international coalition in Tokyo, calling for a Commission of Inquiry to investigate crimes against humanity committed by the North Korean government. In May, Robert King, the US Ambassador for North Korean human rights and humanitarian affairs, made an unprecedented visit to the country, leading a delegation to gauge the seriousness of the food crisis. On his departure, he was accompanied by newly released Korean-American missionary Jun Eddie Yong-su, who had been detained for six months for “inappropriate or illegal religious activity”.

ben hiçbizaman über düper demedim de; bu mu defteri en kirli ülke şimdi?

dünya çok güzel bi yer lan o zaman ^^

[Laurelin]

sadece 2012 raporu oldugunun farkindasin dimi?

[calimero]

yo farkındayım da sen hangi dünyada yaşadığının farkında mısın onu merak ediyorum..

[hamsilipilav]

cCc terra cCc

[GERGE]

Allende'ye karsi yapilan darbe yerindeydi; Pinochet tek basina davranmadi, darbeye cagri yapan en basta Sili'nin yargi ve yurutme organlariydi. Viktor'un dedigi gibi, baslamaya calisan sosyalist bir rejimi bitirdigi icin tum sosyalist elemanlar Pinochet'i bas kotu ilan edip korkunc bir diktator olarak gosteriyor, oysa o adam da ayni Ataturk'den sonra oldugu gibi 17 yil basta kaldiktan parlamenter sisteme gecis yapti; Pinochet olmeden, kendi cekilerek yapti bunu ve su anda iyi kotu isliyor demokrasi Sili'de. 88'de referandum yapip %56 guvensizlik oyu alinca sorun cikarmadan birakti ayrica. Politik dusmanlarina karsi, sosyalistler, katiydi cok ama onun disinda kotu br diktator degildi.

Bembeyaz olmadigi dogru. Zimmetine para gecirdi, 26m$ icin suclaniyor ama, bir devlet baskani icin, bir diktator icin kotu benzerleriyle karsilastirinca taksi parasi bu. 3000 kisi yok oldu, 30.000 kisi iskenceye ugradi diyorlar; normak bu dusunurseniz. Adam darbe yapti, darbeden sonra silah gucuyle indirdigi adamlarin eline bir bardak soguk su verip yollayacak miydi? Sizin hayran oldugunuz sosyalist liderler her zaman cok daha kotusunu yapmistir bunun kendi darbelerinden sonra.

Adamin fasist oldugunu soyleyenler de sadece sosyalistler. Akademik kaynaklarda sadece bunun aksini iddaa eden makaleler bulunur. Otoriterdi ama liberal ekonomiyi destekliyordu ve buyuk oranda Sili'nin ekonomisini duzene sokmayi da becerdi Allende'nin altinda donustugu canavara kiyasla.

Yani sosyalist propagandasi Pinochet'i oldugundan cok cok cok daha korkunc gosteren. Sosyalist militan ve aktivistlere karsi cok kati oldugu icin korkunc bir adam degil kendisi.

[pekaziz]

10 yıldır paticikteyim, Viktor 10 senedir Kuzey Kore'ye küfretmekten, Sam, Atatürk'e sahip çıkanlarla dalga geçmekten vazgeçmedi.

Vay anasını.

[hamsilipilav]

resimlerden tito en iyi

[Leopar]

haha best koreaci arkadas da geldi, topak tamamdir beyler dagilabiliriz

[SeaGle]

Abi kore ya, allah askina kore bu ys. Semih cumhuriyeti bile olamayacak ulke.

[Laurelin]

pekaziz said:

10 yıldır paticikteyim, Viktor 10 senedir Kuzey Kore'ye küfretmekten, Sam, Atatürk'e sahip çıkanlarla dalga geçmekten vazgeçmedi.

Vay anasını.

En azimdan perincek gibi umutsuz bi vakanin pesinden kosmuyorum asdasdfsadf

[GERGE]

Hala o adami destekleyenler var ya, ayip olmasin diye gulmuyorum rl'de karsilastigimda ama burada gulerim:

[vaperon]

Viktor said:

pekaziz said:

10 yıldır paticikteyim, Viktor 10 senedir Kuzey Kore'ye küfretmekten, Sam, Atatürk'e sahip çıkanlarla dalga geçmekten vazgeçmedi.

Vay anasını.

En azimdan perincek gibi umutsuz bi vakanin pesinden kosmuyorum asdasdfsadf

topik çok iyi ya :D

[Cuce]

tarih boyunca guney korelilerden ucun olan kuzey koreliler şimdi ortalamada 15 cm gerideler.
ortalama kuzey kore askerinin kilosu 50kg, daha neden bahsediyoruzki

yeni datlar gelmiş. ortalama lise mezunun boyu (kadın erkek karısık) 134 cm

[axedice]

KuddusiMavra said:

faydalı bir şey bulup paylaşsan şaşırırdım zaten.
diktatör Atatürk ifadesi de facia zaten.

Çetintaş şimdi onu geç de

Şöyle bi atatürk gelse karşına

http://sonohara.donmai.us/data/944a6e76d85994b8f50c6c61a1a90afb.jpg

İki tur gider misin gitmez misin?

Bence cevap belli ;) ;)

[vaperon]

Baltazar, edikle, bir savcıya falan denk gelirse yazık olur abi. :D

[calimero]

GERGE said:

Adamin fasist oldugunu soyleyenler de sadece sosyalistler. Akademik kaynaklarda sadece bunun aksini iddaa eden makaleler bulunur. Otoriterdi ama liberal ekonomiyi destekliyordu ve buyuk oranda Sili'nin ekonomisini duzene sokmayi da becerdi Allende'nin altinda donustugu canavara kiyasla.

Yani sosyalist propagandasi Pinochet'i oldugundan cok cok cok daha korkunc gosteren. Sosyalist militan ve aktivistlere karsi cok kati oldugu icin korkunc bir adam degil kendisi.

looool wut?

said:

In October 1972, Chile saw the first of what were to be a wave of confrontational strikes led by some of the historically well-off sectors of Chilean society; these received the open support of United States President Richard Nixon. A strike by trucking company owners, which the CIA supported by funding them with US$2 million within the frame of the "September Plan," began on October 9, 1972.[15][21] The strike was declared by the Confederación Nacional del Transporte, then presided by León Vilarín, one of the leaders of the far-right paramilitary group Patria y Libertad.[21] The Confederation, which brought together 165 trucking company business associations, employing 40,000 drivers and 56,000 vehicles, decreed an indefinite strike, paralyzing the country.

Dünya üzerinde 1971-73 arası Amerika tarafından Şili'nin en önemli gelir kaynağı bakır fiyatlarına nasıl bir "damping" uygulandığını araştırın. sonra pinochet geldikten sonra nasıl mucizevi bir şekilde bu fiyatların zirve yaptığını fln Allende hükümetini ekonomik açıdan eleştirmeden önce.

ha tabi bu kadar çabaya, şili ekonomisinin anasını bellemelerine rağmen halk yine tarihte görülmemiş oranlarla allende'yi yeniden seçti. OMO OMORÜKO DÖMOKROSÜ GÖTÖRDÖ, ve pinochet ile devirdiler allende'yi, halka rağmen!

Bu başlık hani çok da umurumda değil, "lenin baba'yı diktatör göstermişler böhüü, ama castroo" fln demiyorum. gülüp geçiyorum sadece de bazı über saçmalıkları görünce müdahale etmek zorunlu oluyor.

Bazen kafamızı serbest piyasa goygoyundan kaldırıp, fikri mülkiyet ftw!! kafasından az biraz uzaklaşıp biraz okuyup edip bazı şeyleri tartışsak çok güzel olacak. hani 19 sene sonra bıraktı ama, çoğiyi adam fln denilmiş pinochet için. 20 milyon dolares taksi parası denilmiş. abicim kenan evren melek lan o zaman. bıraktığı süre belli, yaşadığı ortam belli fln. hatta bu saf fazla para da geçirmemiştir hesabına. süper adam valla, kardeş kavgası fln da bitti, arşa erdi başımız.

allende dönemi ekonomisi ile ilgili ilk çıkan kaynaklardan birisi, ilgilenip okunmak istenirse diye:

http://www.tfasinternational.org/ila/academics/The_invisible_blockade.pdf

ha bir de akademik kaynak denilmiş, edit olarak şunu ekleyelim:

akademi içinde olanlar (ya da olmayanlar da), akademinin ne kadar serbest piyasa yavşağı haline geldiğini, kapitalizmin bokuna methiyeler düzüp, sosyalizmin en iyi uygulanışının bile üstünü bokla kapattığını gayet iyi bilir. penth gibi örneğin, bütün alıntılar "lenin and terror" "lenin, the allahsızlığı yayma komitesi başkanı" tarzı kitaplardan yapılarak sosyalizm kötülemesi yapılınca "uu beybi negzel bi paper, sana puanım 9 kanka" tarzı övgüler almak sıklıkla görülen şeylerdir.

[axedice]

Benim suçum yok hakim beğ, elin caponu çizmiş ben ona yorum yapıyorum. Ama çetintaş ne düşünüyor aceba?

[Sam]

B)-

[Cuce]

axedice said:

KuddusiMavra said:

faydalı bir şey bulup paylaşsan şaşırırdım zaten.
diktatör Atatürk ifadesi de facia zaten.

Çetintaş şimdi onu geç de

Şöyle bi atatürk gelse karşına

http://sonohara.donmai.us/data/944a6e76d85994b8f50c6c61a1a90afb.jpg

İki tur gider misin gitmez misin?

Bence cevap belli ;) ;)

2 turda bırakmam, devlet nikahı kıyar, eşit haklara sahip karı-koca olur boy boy vatana millete yararlı cocuklar yaparım

[axedice]

İşte gerçek bir milliyetçi (tu)

[dasaaa]

abi atatürk ile ilgili cinsel fantaziler kurmaya utanmıyor musunuz?

my first sex teacher mı burası ulan?

[SeaGle]

5'den asagi gitmez ceto ona.