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[Lind3r0th]

Normalde herkesin tecil hakkı vardır eğer şuana kadar yoklamaya filan gitmediyse git yoklamanı ol tecil hakkını kullan patdiye askere alma yok yani

[walkman]

aöfde 29 a kadar idare edersin. keyfini çıkar gençliğinin...

[kedidirkedi]

walkman said:

aöfde 29 a kadar idare edersin. keyfini çıkar gençliğinin...

Aha benim kafa.

[escape]

abi şaka maka 1 sene kaldı lan :(

[ShadowFax]

askerligi niye bu kadar büyütüyorsunuz? gidin yapın.

[Alexi_Septimus]

ShadowFax said:

askerligi niye bu kadar büyütüyorsunuz? gidin yapın.

Arguments against conscription
[edit] Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Many arguments opposed to conscription, or opposed to gender-discriminated conscription, arise from its alleged violation of the principles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of the United Nations. In particular:

* Art.2: Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as (…) sex (…)
* Art.3: Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
* Art.4: No one shall be held in (…) servitude (…)
* Art.18: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
* Art.20: (…) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
* Art.23: Everyone has the right (…) to free choice of employment (…)

In addition, many constitutions do provide similar rights in countries where there is or has been some form of conscription after World War II or that maintain a possibility of conscription in time of war.
[edit] Slavery

Conscription subjects individual personalities to militarism. It is a form of servitude. That nations routinely tolerate it, is just one more proof of its debilitating influence.

— Albert Einstein, Sigmund Freud, H.G. Wells, Bertrand Russell and Thomas Mann in Against Conscription and the Military Training of Youth — 1930'[62]

Conscription is slavery, and I don't think that any people or nation has a right to save itself at the price of slavery for anyone, no matter what name it is called. We have had the draft for twenty years now; I think this is shameful. If a country can't save itself through the volunteer service of its own free people, then I say : Let the damned thing go down the drain!

— Robert A. Heinlein, Guest of Honor Speech at the 29th World Science Fiction Convention, Seattle, Washington (1961)

Some groups, such as libertarians[1], say that the draft constitutes slavery, since it involves the State taking ownership of the subject's life and labor[63]. Conscription can in some cases involve non military work which contributes to this argument. Historical examples include the Ilkum system[1]. More recently in the USSR, most of the conscripts received only very basic training and were used for forced labor unrelated to actual military service, such as building Dachas (second homes) for officers or digging up potatoes in the field with zero wage cost[64]. This contributed to the lack of incentives for the Soviet-planned economy system to produce better combined harvesting machines and Soviet agriculture remained low-tech as zero-cost work force was readily available. At worst, conscription can lead into outright chattel slavery and abuse of the conscripts. Perhaps the ugliest aspect of this is using the conscripts as sex slaves and prostitutes: this has been reported to occur frequently in the Russian army. [2]
[edit] Age Discrimination

Conscription is usually limited to young people, and the burden of conscription is almost never spread equally across all age groups.[citation needed] The youngest people considered qualified are usually conscripted first.[citation needed] Opponents of ageism, and advocates of youth liberation, argue that age-based military conscription is the most severe disparity on the basis of age of any government mandate on individuals.[citation needed] This argument is epitomized by the Phil Ochs song, "I Ain't Marching Anymore": "It's always the old who lead us to the war; it's always the young who fall." Even in countries with elected governments, conscripts are often too young to be allowed to vote or participate in decisions on whether to go to war or to impose or set policies for conscription.[citation needed] The Twenty-sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which lowered the voting age to 18, was proposed and approved largely in response to criticism of conscription based on the unfairness of drafting men too young to be allowed to vote. But draft-age voters in the USA are still overwhelmingly outnumbered by voters considered to be too old to be conscripted.[citation needed]
[edit] Sexism
See also: Equality before the law

Traditionally conscription has been limited to the male population. Women and handicapped males have been exempted from conscription. Many societies have traditionally considered military service as a test of manhood and a rite of passage from boyhood into manhood.[65][66] Pacifist feminists oppose conscription of women as well as men, arguing that it would have women become their own enemy by taking part in a patriarchal oppressive construct of the military (Some feminists may be pacifists as much for religious reasons as opposition to patriarchy.) One country that does draft women, with the exception of nuptial and pregnancy reasons, is Israel.
[edit] Discipline problems

No military can operate effectively without discipline. Discipline can either be taught from esprit de corps, already-acquired motivation of the personnel or be fundamentally embedded into the troops through guidance from leadership. One can speculate[original research?] that volunteers manifest less undisciplined behavior, however citizens conscripted might have little motivation to serve. As motivation is based on coercion, the corrective action imposed upon undisciplined conscriptees is often harsh.[citation needed] Capital punishment, usually by firing squad, was used almost universally to maintain discipline in conscript militaries during wartime.[citation needed] Antony Beevor has estimated the executions covered some 1% to 5% of all conscript losses in World War II.[citation needed] This can be best summarized by a statement from Leon Trotsky:

"An army cannot be built without reprisals. Masses of men cannot be led to death unless the command has the death penalty in its arsenal. So long as those malicious tailless apes that are so proud of their technical achievements — the animals that we call men — will build armies and wage wars, the command will always be obliged to place the soldiers between the possible death in the front and the inevitable one in the rear."

Consequently, conscript armies are more likely to commit mutiny than all-volunteer forces, and can in extreme cases turn against their own (see fragging). The Vlasov Army is an extreme example of a conscript army turning against their own.

Discipline problems become much worse when the ablest of the youth are forced to serve against their will under the authority of people they consider less intelligent, untalented, or simply because of unquestioned authority.[citation needed] This was seldom a problem in the period of Industrialism when only the upper classes had access to higher education, but proved problematic in the Vietnam War, when college students were conscripted to fight under non-commissioned officers, many of whom had not finished high school and few of whom had any higher education.[citation needed]
[edit] Nationalism and promoting militarism

The military draft is predicated on the assumption that nations have rights that supersede those of the individual. In the words of Einstein and Gandhi's Anti-Conscription Manifesto, "The State which thinks itself entitled to force its citizens to go to war will never pay proper regard to the value and happiness of their lives in peace." The building of large conscript armies coincided with the rise of virulent nationalism in the 19th and 20th centuries, culminating in World War II.

In peacetime, conscription can create an atmosphere of militarism and bigotry in society. Many young men in countries with compulsory conscription develop a cynical stance about militarism because the mandatory nature of conscription creates low morale among soldiers.[citation needed] This is especially true in countries where nationalist feelings are weak to begin with, such as Austria, Germany and Sweden, or where conditions are brutal.

Conscription may create an atmosphere of chauvinism, sexism and discrimination against those men who haven't served in the armed forces.
[edit] Justification for attacks on civilians

Conscription is a component of total war, and can also be used as an example of established policy to justify a government's demand that other sacrifices be required of civilians. Once a draft is allowed, Justice Louis Brandeis argued, "all bets are off".[67] Arguably this results in a blurring of the moral distinction between civilians and the military as legitimate military targets, leading to attacks on civilians, although this view runs counter to the laws and customs of war: young people who could be conscripted, but are not in the armed forces (or otherwise bearing arms in a conflict) are still legally considered civilians.[citation needed]

Examples would include the indiscriminate bombing of cities conducted by both sides during World War II, the My Lai Massacre. Hamas guerrillas also claim their deliberate targeting of Israeli civilians is justified by the existence of conscription in Israel.
[edit] Quality

"In almost every infantry platoon in most conscript armies there were seldom more than a handful of men prepared to take risks and attack. At the other end of the scale, there were usually a similar number who would do everything possible to avoid danger. The majority in the middle just followed the brave ones, but, faced with sudden disaster, they could equally run with the shirkers."[68]

This weakness was due to a number of factors. First, short periods of service do not allow for much skill building. Second, there is a possibility of a morale drop in units with conscripts, leading to a reduction in quality as officers and NCOs work to alleviate those problems.

The biggest problem is that the pace of training has to be adjusted to the level of the lowest quality candidate. Combined with the apparent lack of motivation and short tour of duty, this renders the skills of the conscripts very low compared to volunteer professionals. Therefore the elite units of all armies which have conscription, are composed entirely of selected volunteers, such as the Spetsnaz of the Russian Army.

Likewise, the military training of the conscripts is almost universally very rudimentary. It seldom goes beyond drill, shooting practice, rudimentary specialization on one's service branch and weapons and basic battlefield training. The Argentinians referred to conscription as la colimba from words correr (run), limpiar (cleanse) and barrer (march), with allusion of conscription being merely irrelevant tasks at barracks instead of real combat skills training. Likewise, many nations have used conscripts simply as indentured, low-cost work force, organized as "work battalions" for agriculture and building infrastructure instead of decent military service.[citation needed]
[edit] Economics
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It can be argued that in a cost-to-benefit ratio, conscription during peace time is not worthwhile.[69] Months or years of service amongst the most fit and capable subtracts from the productivity of the economy; add to this the cost of training them, and in some countries paying them. Compared to these extensive costs, some would argue there is very little benefit; if there ever was a war then conscription and basic training could be completed quickly, and in any case there is little threat of a war in most countries with conscription. In the United States, every male resident must register with the Selective Service System on his 18th birthday, so he is available for a draft.

The cost of conscription can be related to the parable of the broken window. Military service can be related to any other work, such as that of policemen. The costs of work do not disappear anywhere even if no salary is paid. The work effort of the conscripts is effectively wasted; unwilling work force is extremely inefficient and the conscripts also lose their the costs of all-volunteer paid force. The impact is especially severe in wartime, when civilian professionals are forced to fight as amateur soldiers. Not only is the work effort of the conscripts wasted and productivity is lost, but professionally-skilled conscripts are also difficult to replace in the civilian work force. Every soldier conscripted in the army is taken away from his civilian work, and away from contributing to the economy which funds the military. This is not a problem in an agrarian or pre-industrialized state where the level of education is universally low, and where a worker is easily replaced by another. However, this proves extremely problematic in a post-industrial society where educational levels are high and where the work force is highly sophisticated and a replacement for a conscripted specialist is difficult to find. Even direr economic consequences result if the professional conscripted as an amateur soldier is killed or maimed for life; his work effort and productivity is irrevocably lost.[70]
[edit] Draft as a tool to subjugate society

Another argument[who?] sees conscription as a tool for dictatorships to control and re-educate a population instead of being a means for an oppressed people to infiltrate the military as the power base for every dictatorship. Especially since the military is inherently based on giving and obeying orders, instead of democracy, it is argued that a draft is a far more effective tool to instill obedience and unconditional following into society than giving a democratic populace the opportunity to control the military.

Supporting that argument is the fact, that Nazi Germany changed the Reichswehr from an all-volunteer army in 1934 into the conscription-based Wehrmacht.

Also almost all contemporary dictatorships have a military draft (Syria, North Korea, as well as Iraq under Saddam Hussein). Virtually all former military dictatorships relied heavily on conscribing their entire adolescent male populations[citation needed] (with the military dictatorship of Burma being a notable exception). The former military dictatorships of Turkey, Greece, Spain, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Indonesia and Libya maintained draft systems throughout their reigns as well as all formerly communist dictatorships and the Soviet Union itself.[citation needed]


Bir insan bunlardan dolayı büyütebilir askerliği bence, ama bu benim düşüncem tabii, abartıyor olabilir.

[Cthulhu]

yahu korkmayın şubeden bu kadar.. gidin anlatın en kötü 2 yıllık keyfi tecil hedesini kullanırsın da gerek kalmaz yani

[Tatar Ramazan]

Catrenox said:

bugün sabah eve kağıt gelmiş yoklama kaçağı olmuşum, şimdi ben tasdiknameyle gitsem; "şubatta lise diplomasını alıcam, sonra da üniversite okuyucam" desem, tecil ederler mi? ya da ettirmek için ne yapmam lazım?

Şimdi hiç bulaşma şubeye falan da gitme okuluna bak, yoklama kaçağından bişi olmaz aramalarda falan gözükmüyor zaten, çok soran olursa lise mezunuyum de geç.

Son yoklama Temmuz-Ekim arasıdır, Ekim sonuna kadar liseyi bitiremezsen gidersin direk kışlaya, bitirirsen 22 yaşına kadar tecil hakkın var, üniyi kazanırsan hakkın daha da uzar.

[Skoko]

askerlik mi?
yaptım geldim
raad ol geniş takıl.

[Dark_Soul]

84 lüyüm,liseden bittikten 1 sene sora üniye girdim(2002).Liseden sonraki sene banada kagit gelmişti,nerdeyse 1 sene kacak durumundaydım, neyse 2 sene sora girdigim üniyi biraktim,eve yazı geldi anında,sonra gittim lise tecil hakkımı kullandım muayneye girdim flm,ertesi yıl 2 senelik üni kazandım 2008 de o bitti,sonra bidaha tecil ettirdim 2011 basına kadar,su an 4 senelik üni okuyorumm bulgaristanda yas 26.
28 yasıma gelince bu ünide bitcek kısmetse.Sonra master icin tecil hakkımı kullanmayı düsünüyorum:D ,yada yurtdısında 3 sene kalıp,askerligi 1 ayda aradan cıkarmayı düsünüyorum